Iggy's Spectral Throw Build! Combines the best of ALL worlds. [SC/HC]

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Galtrovan wrote:
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austinmanges wrote:
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lukesandwalker wrote:
currently there are 3 ST build in this forum, all the other two go up to increase mana, so I am wondering how this build manage mana issue? no BM here. Mana leech? gem or gear?

For the time being I'm compensating no BM with mana leech gear. 2% life and 2% mana on my gloves, also 2% life and 2% mana wurms belt.


As was said, get mana leech. I have 2% on a ring. Also, there is plenty of mana/mana regen around the Scion. I posted a 15 point starting build on page 8 of this thread which has worked well for the first 50 levels. Be warned though, when I hit level 55 I'm probably going to drop the 3 Dex and 2 mana nodes after Harrier and use those 5 points to grab the similar mana nodes in center of the Duelist area.

Anyway, point is, mana is not a problem. With my starting build, even without leech, mana wasn't a problem. But yes, you are going to want mana leech somewhere on your gear.


Thank you! So many people complaining about mana when it's stupid easy to improve your mana on your leveling gear.
right now, im running RT but eventually i feel like i will spec out of it. Does not seem worth respeccing at the moment at 30ish because there is always problems of hitting mobs at low levels so it definitely helps in that regard. Right now im moving towards Iron Grip at level 35 and then will see where to head to from there. Probably into the duelist tree. Right now, my main issue is mana. Popping pots constantly. At Low level, churn through mana so quickly. Need to sort the problem out asap.
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Revehn wrote:
Instead of being agressive, just read peacefully what I've written.
The build I used, since I didn't link it, is this :

Right now

THIS ISN'T THE BUILD OP CHOSE (since he went MoM).
Got it ? That's something I came up with, and I'm not convinced at all.
I explained myself my weapon isn't good (yet 22X-32X physical dmg on weapon, this isn't that bad on pure dmg). I have yet to find one decent, even 5L if possible.


I'm not sure about taking Wrecking Ball already, yet this is one node only.
5L is right now kind of a dream, so clearly 4L only. Yeah, I'm not that lucky. If you have a 5L you wanna trade to look at the viability of the build, I'm gladly accepting it. Otherwise, this is what I told earlier : not convinced.

Now let me contribute !
I believe taking two auras would be nice (Grace + Hatred).
6L for weapon would be this then : ST + LMP + FA + Added Fire Dmg + Blood Magic + Life Leech.
If we have enough LL, we could BM ST to give our mana pool full attention to auras.
This is what I believe would get this build anywhere.

Also, iggy4mayor, you need to understand that almost everyone is poor, with trashy gear. So if you wished for any viable perfect feedback, just ask for someone in standard league. This was my feedback with trashy gear in Domination.

Thanks for reading.

edit : and I'd like to discuss the choice to go with archer nodes to get Faster Projectile.


The problem is your build. You don't have Resolute Technique (RT). You don't have enough Dex/accuracy to compensate for not having RT. You don't have enough attack speed nodes. You wasted 20 skill points on travel nodes that are not Str nodes. That right there is 200 Str you don't have, which is 100 life you don't have to be boosted by your % life nodes, and also damage you don't have being applied to Iron Grip.
Last edited by Galtrovan#5344 on Oct 29, 2013, 7:32:45 AM
@iggy4mayor : since english isn't my native-born language, I believe I gave a wrong opinion on "how to read it". I forgot to link my build, which led to misunderstanding.
I wasn't criticizing your build, but mine, that yours inspired (two days after release).

I clearly KNOW that I have trouble, but not with DPS. Even if it's quite low I must admit.
I am PERFECTLY fine with getting stomped by Dominus, I just didn't think it would be that hard. However, as I told, I'm perfectly fine with it. This is an end boss, I was 68, I had trouble surviving that tower, that's okay. :)

I'm playing self-loot. This means I've a lot of trashy gear.
My problem IS the beefy/tanky part. Hell I'm beefy, I have armour + hp.
But I'm not tanky. I can't stand in the middle of a fight with a HP based build + 55 to 75 @res.

Now, I'm clearly interested in your NEW build, even if I don't understand why some things and why not others (Lava Lash + Catalyse are for added fire dmg + hatred I believe, are those worth the trouble to get them ?).

Let's start on the right foot again. My apologies if I offended you. ;)
Last edited by Revehn#3003 on Oct 29, 2013, 7:43:51 AM
Hello Iggy,
I using an other Guide:

Spoiler
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/547409


My current Skilltree right now is this:

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http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgAAAecDlgUtCZYTTBRxGS4aVSXfJvgnIDBPMHcyCTboOyhAoEGqRmlHfkrIVw1Yr1pSYENgS2C7YSFkUmSjZU1lp2xGbj1uqnJsdO14DXrvgwmE2YTvhymHapBslZubXZ65ns2nMKiaqW6plKvFrlC18rndwaPKkNIh1I_ZYd-_4mHrCfKX9778iQ==


Its a bit different from your Build. Im not a "Pro" and just want to make a good Build to farm Docks and maybe higher Areas if I have the Gear.

So my question is.. should I stay in the other Build or is it better to change to your Build?
Or both Build nearly the same?
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4Revo6 wrote:
Hello Iggy,
I using an other Guide:

Spoiler
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/547409


My current Skilltree right now is this:

Spoiler
http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgAAAecDlgUtCZYTTBRxGS4aVSXfJvgnIDBPMHcyCTboOyhAoEGqRmlHfkrIVw1Yr1pSYENgS2C7YSFkUmSjZU1lp2xGbj1uqnJsdO14DXrvgwmE2YTvhymHapBslZubXZ65ns2nMKiaqW6plKvFrlC18rndwaPKkNIh1I_ZYd-_4mHrCfKX9778iQ==


Its a bit different from your Build. Im not a "Pro" and just want to make a good Build to farm Docks and maybe higher Areas if I have the Gear.

So my question is.. should I stay in the other Build or is it better to change to your Build?
Or both Build nearly the same?


A 68 point build... I'd do this:



If you don't like the 8% mana nodes at the top, left of the Scion start, then link the Shaper node via the Strength node and spec out of the 8% mana nodes. If you don't need mana, this will save you a couple of points.
Last edited by Galtrovan#5344 on Oct 29, 2013, 8:11:56 AM
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Revehn wrote:
Hello,

As of right now, I'm lvl 68.
I finished Merciless solo, and to say the least, Dominus wasn't possible without dying. The fifth time I died, i went kamikaze to end him. 19 deaths later, that was loot time.
Anyway, those are my stats right now :

4k4 armour (low)
3k HP, 100 hp/sec approx
55 to 75 @res
-60% chaos resist (I too like to live dangerously xD, k this isn't funny at all)

1,3k DPS (with LMP/added fire dmg/faster attacks)
-> I don't know WHY DPS is so low, but as far as i can explain, I have 5% crit + 0,95 base attack speed, Karui Maul if I'm right, and this is breaking DPS kinda hard since I'm a bit lower than 2 atk/sec. I wonder where to farm for a good 2H (maps ? boss ?)...


Right now, this build isn't very good. I don't like the fact that I'm beefy, but not tanky, and I don't even know where to begin to get... 135% Chaos resist. Can't find good rings, and this is just the 1/10th of the problem. Anyway, DPS with Hatred doesn't work very well.

I need to be convinced with this build. I didn't take MoM, mana is a HUGE problem (got 2% mana leech that helps A LOT).


Im lvl 67 and have similar stats as you, except that i have less HP and 1300DPS ST with LMP + faster atk (no fire dmg). and I have 4700dps with double strike.

I personally dun think ST with 1300 DPS at this stage is bad. In fact, I kill fast enough. And I am tanky against blue pack + unique. 1. turn on grace if you have iron reflexes, or get reduced mana to have both hatred+grace / grace+determination. That will boost armor to 7k+ and dmg reduction to around 65%. 2. get a cast on dmg taken gem, link with enduring cry + warlock's mark. Facing a large pack, you have +12%dmg reduction & all resist, plus life & mana leech. ST as a strong AOE helps you keep life & mana full.

As for bosses, I dun think the build (at lvl 68) allows you to face tanking bosses' power attack. (maybe at a higher lvl? not sure Im new to this game).
What is the gear progression for the beginning, mid, and end game for this build? Is it just the same armor, health and resists trend as usual or do I need to look for anything specific?
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iggy4mayor wrote:
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Revehn wrote:
Instead of being agressive, just read peacefully what I've written.
The build I used, since I didn't link it, is this :

Right now

THIS ISN'T THE BUILD OP CHOSE (since he went MoM).
Got it ? That's something I came up with, and I'm not convinced at all.
I explained myself my weapon isn't good (yet 22X-32X physical dmg on weapon, this isn't that bad on pure dmg). I have yet to find one decent, even 5L if possible.


I'm not sure about taking Wrecking Ball already, yet this is one node only.
5L is right now kind of a dream, so clearly 4L only. Yeah, I'm not that lucky. If you have a 5L you wanna trade to look at the viability of the build, I'm gladly accepting it. Otherwise, this is what I told earlier : not convinced.

Now let me contribute !
I believe taking two auras would be nice (Grace + Hatred).
6L for weapon would be this then : ST + LMP + FA + Added Fire Dmg + Blood Magic + Life Leech.
If we have enough LL, we could BM ST to give our mana pool full attention to auras.
This is what I believe would get this build anywhere.

Also, iggy4mayor, you need to understand that almost everyone is poor, with trashy gear. So if you wished for any viable perfect feedback, just ask for someone in standard league. This was my feedback with trashy gear in Domination.

Thanks for reading.

edit : and I'd like to discuss the choice to go with archer nodes to get Faster Projectile.


Okay first off I wasn't being aggressive. You were the one who said the build isn't good, when lots have been praising it in this topic. If you don't like the build, spec out, find a new topic.

Second off, I do NOT take MoM. Builds change, play test changes. If you would check the updated build it is much more efficient.

Third, wrecking ball and the nodes to it are one of the best damage nodes, and they're so close to IR, why would you NOT take them? And then after that you pump into nodes of your weapon choice. You haven't touched any weapon nodes yet and complaining about dps. And 5Ls are not a dream, seeing mid 30 - 50 level chests going for 3 - 5 chaos. That's not a dream at all. 6Ls at this point are a dream.

And you don't go RT, so what's your chance to hit even?

And I know people are poor. Hell, I'm poor. But I don't criticize a build for my character not having gear to run it. If you want a build that needs no gear and can farm, go run a cheap freeze pulser or summoner. Almost all builds are weak until they start filling in the pieces of gear.

I'm not attacking you, but you come in here, say the build isn't good (even though you haven't followed it very well), and then complain how you couldn't stomp Dominus @ lvl 68. Come on man.


I think Rev was saying his OWN build was weak, not yours! Seems like a bit of a mis-communication both ways between you guys.

I wanted to ask what you think about how easy it would be to adapt this build for a Claw+Shield or even dual-claw build? The life leech of the claw attacks is a heck of a lot of fun, but I assume you'd need to make changes due to the increased cast speed (mana use) and smaller area of effect (adapt targetting?)
One question that i dont understand is why picking IR.

A level 20 grace gives us 2k evasion (so armor).

A level 20 determination gives us 50% of our armor, so, with 4200 armor (something that i think that its easily attainable) it gives us the same armor as grace. So, the more armor we get after these 4200, the better determination gets.

In fact, if we are a str user, it may be difficult to have enought dexterty to raise grace to level 20.

So, if we have no plan of running grace (with IR) + determination together (and having no mana/damage aura at all), i dont see why to pick IR as a STR user and not spending these pasive points into more life nodes.

In addition we could save the points wasted on the way to wrecking ball and spend them on specific weapon nodes maybe.

Editing: and, about catalyse cluster, does it really worth the points? if we are running added fire damage, that adds 40% phys damage as fre damage, catalyse will boost this 40% fire damage by another 40%, that is 0,4*0,4 = 16% damage increase for three points (a bit more if we use a damage aura but it depends on the above posted)
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Last edited by Legebril#6371 on Oct 29, 2013, 12:01:19 PM

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