Reave Feedback

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Nurvus wrote:

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777isHARDCORE wrote:

In other words, the game will always tend to revolve around spamming your #1 skill. Reave's mechanic forces you to actually think, instead of just spam.

This is precicely what may end up ultimately holding Path of Exile back in terms of players - or at least supporters.

This is why players STILL consider the possibility of returning to shitty games like D3, despite PoE being better in nearly everything.

A single spammed skill throughout the entire game will wear down on players' enjoyment of this game in the long run.

The saving grace is the fact you can make alot of different characters to break the monotony, but within each character, it's monotonous, and at some point regardless of how many new characters you make, the feeling of monotony won't go away.

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PolarisOrbit wrote:

Thank you for that thoughtful analysis. Correct me if I misunderstood, but you have argued that due to 5/6L restriction, end-game naturally gravitates toward single skill spam, so therefore skills should be designed for single skill spam. My response would be that end-game is not the whole game. If a skill can't cut the mustard before end-game why would it get so much better when you get to end-game? It is a great folly to design a level 1 skill for how level 80+ characters would use it. Either the skill should have had a much higher level requirement, or it should have been designed to work better for the modes of play available at the level it is unlocked.

AFAIK, Reave is not a popular skill compared to alternatives, such as Cleave. If the intent was to create a choice for players to make, then it would appear that players have made that choice: not to use Reave.

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I have mine linked to multistrike, faster attacks, increased area of effect, and concentrated effect. If I could get a 6 link, I'd love to have added fire damage or another damage gem in there.

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Finkenstein wrote:

HI

I really think its a flaw that you can't curse and reave without re-setting it, I understand the punishment forced to spam ideal with say going reave-reave-viper strike-back to reave without it being affected, but curses too...

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777isHARDCORE wrote:

Personally, I have been playing a CI crit dagger shadow with Reave as my main skill. I was unsure it would pan out, and so was leveling a melee splash & double strike in my secondary weapons. But I find Reave much more fun and engaging, apparently in a very similar way to the testers. Getting the stack up and shredding progressively through a huge crowd of mobs is a lot of fun. :) And when blood rage runs out mid-fight for whatever reason, the decision of whether to recast mid-fight, whirling blades out to recast, or just plow on without it adds to the subtlety of the character.

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Mayhaps devs might be prevailed upon narrowing that restriction only to skills that deal damage in any way, so curses or enduring will be fine. You know, never before did I have the need to put inc duration on viper but with reave it's very useful, you stack charges and reave away, by the time they expire the beastie is dead.

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it's annoying when i lose stacks by casting enduring cry or something like that

also, even a 1 second increase on buff duration would do wonders for the viability of the skill

other than that it's a fun skill and i enjoy using it

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No one uses the skill because it is terrible. Sure it may be fun now if a player is using a dumpster char, but it is pretty obvious the testers either gave useless feedback, or they intentionally gave poor feedback.

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777isHARDCORE wrote:

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PolarisOrbit wrote:

Thank you for that thoughtful analysis. Correct me if I misunderstood, but you have argued that due to 5/6L restriction, end-game naturally gravitates toward single skill spam, so therefore skills should be designed for single skill spam. My response would be that end-game is not the whole game. If a skill can't cut the mustard before end-game why would it get so much better when you get to end-game? It is a great folly to design a level 1 skill for how level 80+ characters would use it. Either the skill should have had a much higher level requirement, or it should have been designed to work better for the modes of play available at the level it is unlocked.

AFAIK, Reave is not a popular skill compared to alternatives, such as Cleave. If the intent was to create a choice for players to make, then it would appear that players have made that choice: not to use Reave.

I am not sure where you gather the bolded part above.

You posited that the testers held a preconceived notion that single-skill spam was good and proper, and this influenced their feedback on Reave's "punishment" towards using skills other than Reave.

My response was to dispute this conclusion about the testers, as it seems they found it more engaging to have real consequences whenever they want to use auxiliary skills mid-combat when Reave is their main attack skill.

I agree with this position. When you are using another skill, say Cleave, there is no decision about whether to pop your curse, or refresh blood rage, or whatever other aux skill you might consider using. This is monotony. With Reave, you have to decide on the fly whether it is worth losing the stack to get the benefit of your aux skill.

The choice to "spam" a single main attack skill is a personal preference that is by no means mandatory, tho it is obviously encouraged by the 5l/6l situation as I detailed.

Personally, I have been playing a CI crit dagger shadow with Reave as my main skill. I was unsure it would pan out, and so was leveling a melee splash & double strike in my secondary weapons. But I find Reave much more fun and engaging, apparently in a very similar way to the testers. Getting the stack up and shredding progressively through a huge crowd of mobs is a lot of fun. :) And when blood rage runs out mid-fight for whatever reason, the decision of whether to recast mid-fight, whirling blades out to recast, or just plow on without it adds to the subtlety of the character.

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Finkenstein wrote:

Hi
I like reave but don't get why it can't be affected by incr duration support? Do the incr skill duration passives work on reave though?
cheers

No, according to devs there's absolutely no way to mess with its duration.