[1.0.6] CI Crit Dagger Shadow (30k DPS Flicker Ninja) [OB video up!]

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Cimos21 wrote:
Hey question for the experts of this build. I am a level 77 Shadow, with a Claw CI spec. I didnt follow this guide exactly, and I decided that I didnt want to branch really far away from the Shadow tree starting point (although I am now rethinking that strategy).

I currently don't have Vaal Pact or Inner Focus. Here is my current spec:

http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgYBBbUMjQzyDUkOSBB7ES8RUBGWFf0WvxnXHNweGiEDIuooKisKLKYsvzBUNj03ZjeDO-E9ZUBVRwZO50-_X2pl8Wcean5tGW9XcFJw1XWKeUh_f3_Gh9uIa4t6jAuNv5KAkyeZV5mamheaeJ2joqOly6Z_puunK6c0rR6xs7TFtUi297l8u3y71r46wFHBAMHFwfPC7MNtzerUBdYH2xrb591I4vfjhOjW6rrrY-wY7LDtQe1276Dz6vVL_Kv_kw==

While doing maps (lvl 68+), (solo or with a group), but especially solo, I am dieing a lot. Causes of death are crazy spike dmg (usually) or occasionally puncture or some type of impending dmg dot...not sure about the last one but ive died with low ES, but no monsters around.

Basically I need to stop dieing. I dont think it is my gear: 4.8K ES with disc, max all resists, 23% evasion with grace. Double strike DPS in town is 5k. Lightning Strike DPS in town is 2k. Life Leech is 8%, 13% w/Bloodrage. I also have equipped Dream Fragments and Eye of Chayula. So as you can see, I really should not be dieing at all with my gear. I even have the highest DPS claw I have ever seen on the server...



I am thinking of changing 5-15 points of straight DPS passives into (1) Vaal Pact, (2) Inner Focus, or (3) Iron Reflexes. Does anyone have any recommendations for these? I have no idea how good or bad each of these are. I am currently 8 skills away from Vaal Pact and Iron Reflexes (in opposite directions). I was under the impression that VP just made life leech instant, but reading some in this thread it seems like Vaal Pact is more beneficial in that it removes the Life leech per second cap? Can someone elaborate on this?

Is VP and Inner Focus really worth going 14 points out of the way to get?

I love playing shadow, but right now I am dieing once every 2-3 solo maps, and I cant gain exp unless I ONLY do group runs and play very carefully.

I feel like if I put this much time into playing marauder I would be lvl 82 (from many less deaths) and be able to solo maps all day. Please help me, I dont want to have to switch to another class for endgame, but I may have to as I lost over 75% of a level yesterday from dieing in solo maps.


You realise that Leach is capped at 20% of your max HP/shields per second and the only way to remove this is Vaal Pact. So yes it's worth getting and so is Inner Focus. There is a new site being launched which has this guide on it and I've submitted a long piece about playing this spec in the exact situation you describe and things that you can do to help. So hopefully that will be up and running soon.

Edit: If you look at the guide again, at the bottom there is a small section written by myself, that answers a lot of your questions :)
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Last edited by Dustbinlid#2080 on Mar 4, 2013, 7:21:41 PM
I'm new to craft. I just bought his dagger ilvl77. I got this mods and wondering if I should reroll it more. I have both physical damage and cold caster shadow.



For the spell damage, cast speed, projectiles speed, crit multiplier, and crit chance for spells. How can I chose them? Which one is the priority?
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Thanks for the response Dustbind. Couple more questions. First as a global, take into account my weapon. I am using a claw, which passive skills favor attack speed over crit. The specific claw I am using also is a 1.81 attack speed, with only 216 top end. I don't know if this changes alot, but I would think it has to considering the argument about DPM (damage per mana), and also the effectiveness of flickerstrike when my dps is largely based on attack speed.

I agree with you, and have been debating on switching my Double Strike gem into my 5L armor. With my Lightning Strike in my 5L, I can only spam LS when I have a group member with clarity on. Otherwise I cast about 10-15 LS before I have to flask or run out of mana.

So my best bet to more survivability is inner focus / VP? Based on what you are saying, I can only leech about 950ES per second. With my attack speed based DPS (my double strike is like 3.3+ APS) will that help me? You guys make it sound like VP is only needed when you get those huge crits. 13% life leech of 7K dps is about 900 ES per second....which is less than 20% of my total ES.

On another note, since I am bass-ackwards of most CI dagger players (Claw spec, high life leech, high attack speed, low crit, lower dmg), should I stack all crit / phys dmg gear when it comes to DPS stats? I dont use any Increased Attack Speed gear, but dont have much increased crit gear either.

In the end it looks like I will have to test and see how it works. I have calculated my change in statistics....and its scary. In order to free up 14 points I need for both Vaal Pact and Inner Focus I will lose: -64% Physical Damage, -24% accuracy, -10% increased attack speed, -30 dex. But guess what, I would gain 70 int! And of course instant life leech and 30% increased buffs. I guess 30% increased offensive aura buffs can help make up for some of the lost DPS...but thats a lot of DPS to lose. What do you guys think?
IGN: Cimos_Baller
Oh...and can anyone tell me if I need 100% ES delay recovery? I am at 75% now, and would rather spend the 3 points elsewhere....but I have a feeling that PvP (my endgame) will need as much ES recovery as we can get.
IGN: Cimos_Baller
im level 63 and still farming felshrine but im having trouble finding any gear to upgrade. im at 1.5k ES right now. this is a joke man.....
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Cimos21 wrote:


In the end it looks like I will have to test and see how it works. I have calculated my change in statistics....and its scary. In order to free up 14 points I need for both Vaal Pact and Inner Focus I will lose: -64% Physical Damage, -24% accuracy, -10% increased attack speed, -30 dex. But guess what, I would gain 70 int! And of course instant life leech and 30% increased buffs. I guess 30% increased offensive aura buffs can help make up for some of the lost DPS...but thats a lot of DPS to lose. What do you guys think?


It's a tricky one :P but Inner focus isn't just offensive auras, its all auras. Example being, my own Wrath added over 700DPS to my double strike, by its self. Now imagine how much I would gain if I had Haste, Hatred and Anger all on as well. The DPS stacks up pretty quickly.

Defensively it means your Discipline gives u more ES, Granites more armour etc.

The final point ill make is to remember when you calculate your talent swaps your be gaining a fair amount of strength and with that you can gain extra levels in your red gems, aka Melee Weapon Damage and Melee Weapon Damage at 100%.

So take all that into account before you see Inner Focus and Vaals Pact as a massive nerf to your character :)
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omg_itz_andre? Is that really you or a fake?

Btw why does the guide say to never level the curse gems? They provide a good benefit on levelup (especially enfeeble), the amount of mana used doesn't increase that much, and your shadow should have more than enough int to equip a higher level curse gem.
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Emil_kof wrote:
omg_itz_andre? Is that really you or a fake?

Btw why does the guide say to never level the curse gems? They provide a good benefit on levelup (especially enfeeble), the amount of mana used doesn't increase that much, and your shadow should have more than enough int to equip a higher level curse gem.


I'm not Andre I'm just a fan of dropped combos :P

And as for the curse, Warlords does get better with levels but the main reason you use it is for solo play and getting endurance charges. Your be leach capped quite easily with just R1 Warlords and Blood Rage. Also as I mention in the advanced section of the guide, most groups won't want you using Warlords so the smaller AoE allows you to use it on the mobs that ur attacking while leaving the others to be cursed by whatever other curse the party is using.

This all changes obviously if you are using a different curse. For example I use Crit. Vulnerability atm as it increase mine and the party's DPS massively, so I level that up.

The final thing to mention about Warlords is that it's a red gem, so like all red gems it suffers from the fact that you need high strength to use it at max levels.

It's not the end of the world if you level it and if you prefer to level it and think it benefits you do it, the guide is a suggestion, you don't have to follow it word perfect.
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Xenrail wrote:
im level 63 and still farming felshrine but im having trouble finding any gear to upgrade. im at 1.5k ES right now. this is a joke man.....


Keep working at it, you are at the hard part of the build where most either are made or broken by the wall you're trying to scale. Once you hit that 3k ES mark you'll be more sustainable. Try to focus your currency toward a really strong dagger so doing docks on merciless isn't so difficult, then you can acquire a bit more exp and currency. If you're sick of fell shrine go back to Ledge, even at lvl 80 I spend a little time farming ledge daily with IIR/IIQ gear on cus you never know what you can find.
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Last edited by Anamaeus#3477 on Mar 5, 2013, 4:55:35 AM
67 ATM and I feel like somehow I've made it thru. After farming few days Fellshrine Ruins got myself a decent dagger so I am sitting at @5k dps on DoubleStrike and and @3k on LS and all res @75.
Since I am only 1.4k buffed ES I am not planning on switching to CI soon :), but I am planning on starting farming the docs...
My question is, from your experience shall I go towards Inner Focus or towards Vaal Pact first?

L E Completely forgot to link my passives =):
Last edited by Acow#1404 on Mar 6, 2013, 12:48:02 AM

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