Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

If i was greedy I would just join in what I find to be a boring way to play the game, aka stare the loot down at all times and camp the drops.

Edit: If some of you want to complain about looting options then this thread is now for you. GGG is doing exactly what I was hoping they would do so I really don't need to be in here any more. I wanted them to make a final decision and I believe thats what they are doing.

From now on you will be the ones crying about their decisions. Have fun.

I don't see why you are still fighting. Once you can choose if a group is FFA or with longer timers the fighting camps are separated and all arguments are just history.

Choose the playstyle you like.

So pull in your e-peens and zip up already.

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TremorAcePV wrote:

You are a troll. And a sad, sorry one at that.

You have no credibility whatsoever. You are such a moron that you have no place even in an internet argument.

Personally, I would have preferred that GGG put in a slider instead of static options, but whatever. This is much better than the system was before.

the bs that has been flung around this thread is amazing. FFA should have zero timers. it still offers a benefit, it still will be used. and if you stop using it yet defended it you are simply a weirdo and want the opportunity to prey on unwilling peoples loot.

the claims that diablo 2 never changed its loot scheme is a joke. this is a BETA.. you have no idea what was tossed around in the beta.

things get modernized.. personally I love the old way of doing things but it was done differently in diablo 2.. you knew when to go for the loot because their was no timers. but you cant compare this to diablo 2 because this game basically has full respecs with regret orbs and skill gems that allow you to switch your skills around whenever you want.

its not diablo 2, its something different.. and by the crap we are served up by most companies now a days this something different is excellent. they stick to their guns on their core design but are embedding a few of the newer style of gaming throughout their beta.. this isn't killing the game by adding options.. it isnt an all or nothing scenario.. its adding something that many people want.

many people can still play FFA, infact knowing that its not being forced upon me I will probably play alot more FFA, especially if their is zero timer.

and when I want to party I also have the option of playing in a more secure loot way but I also take away the benefit of me being able to snag some extra loot.

you people acting like the sky is falling are nothing but sad pathetic propagandist that deserve zero respect.

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derbefrier wrote:

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thepmrc wrote:

Just read your posts. Its pretty obvious that you like FFA because you not only get your loot, but also get a chance at taking loot that rolled with priority to another player. You stated that you camp on everyone's drops and feel that you are entitled to have everything that drops if you get to it first. In my book everything you post just shouts 'IM A GREEDY ASSHOLE, DON'T GIVE PEOPLE OPTIONS BECAUSE THEN I WON'T BE ABLE TO BE A GREEDY ASSHOLE AS EASILY'

And what makes you any different? In fact I would say those who want instanced loot are the greedy ones. Ffa people are ok with the idea of loosing a drop not you guys though. You scream bloody murder. So I ask who is the greedy one again? I mean you guys even demansd rules changes to satiate your greed. While we were happy with things the way they were.

I wanted a way to party with friends and fairly distribute loot within the mechanics of the game itself. I guess you could call that being greedy if you so choose. However, camping every item that drops for other players in your party is a different story all together. That is the type of greed that has made so many people desire looting options.

As a friendly group, vultures like voodu are not a problem. However, not seeing items until after allocation and bosses dropping tons of items have made it difficult to play how we want to play. This will go a long way to allowing friendly groups to play how they want to play. Vultures can still hang out with each other in FFA games, they just won't be accompanied by people who don't appreciate them. I enjoy pure FFA looting sometimes, not when playing with friends, but I am also happy to see that pure FFA looting will be returning as a loot option as well!

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derbefrier wrote:

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thepmrc wrote:

Just read your posts. Its pretty obvious that you like FFA because you not only get your loot, but also get a chance at taking loot that rolled with priority to another player. You stated that you camp on everyone's drops and feel that you are entitled to have everything that drops if you get to it first. In my book everything you post just shouts 'IM A GREEDY ASSHOLE, DON'T GIVE PEOPLE OPTIONS BECAUSE THEN I WON'T BE ABLE TO BE A GREEDY ASSHOLE AS EASILY'

And what makes you any different? In fact I would say those who want instanced loot are the greedy ones. Ffa people are ok with the idea of loosing a drop not you guys though. You scream bloody murder. So I ask who is the greedy one again? I mean you guys even demansd rules changes to satiate your greed. While we were happy with things the way they were.

is it really that hard to use a little bit of common sense?

the people who are PRO-FFA are playing in a mode that they WANT TO BE PLAYING. the other people are playing in a mode that they DONT WANT TO BE PLAYING.

how you can try to say that not being able to force people to play in a MODE YOU WANT TO PLAY, instead of offering you that option and them a different option.. is greedy for them is beyond me.

Vooodu is right y'all.

It's not about greed. It' about making a better game, and in most cases people do not know what they want, and if they get what they want they just want something else.

Even in D2 with free loot i didn't complain as people used bots to autoloot for them at uncanny speeds etc.

I lose lots of loot, and i find lots of loot. Honestly, you have to be an exceptional slacker or an insane ninjalooter to get more than +/- 15% of loot you deserve.

It just happens to be so that some of the most vibrant memories will be regarding won and lost loot, because it adds flavor and depth to the game. It creates a memorable game. Some of the most fun you may have is when thing's dont work out for you, you whipe in mmo's etc. Winning always gets repetitive and boring.

I would claim its your greed that makes you unable to cope with the fact that something which "had your name on it" may escape your grasp. You can't seem to deal with that at all. But whatever, these "who is the more greedy"-arguments dont lead to anything.

GGG knows the best game is with FFA loot, but they also know that most players are softspined, and so they give them this option because of that.

Only time i can see when not to have FFA is for players who don't want to teamplay and just want to slack around for a good 20sec or so before picking up their loots, and well, if you don't want to play actively then you might as well go solo mode to avoid these problems of playing with other people altogether, or play with people you can trust.

All in all its only when i am nice i feel your case, if i have to be for real then you are just the crying masses.

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Crackmonster wrote:

Vooodu is right y'all.

It's not about greed. It' about making a better game, and in most cases people do not know what they want, and if they get what they want they just want something else.

Even in D2 with free loot i didn't complain as people used bots to autoloot for them at uncanny speeds etc.

I lose lots of loot, and i find lots of loot. Honestly, you have to be an exceptional slacker or an insane ninjalooter to get more than +/- 15% of loot you deserve.

It just happens to be so that some of the most vibrant memories will be regarding won and lost loot, because it adds flavor and depth to the game. It creates a memorable game. Some of the most fun you may have is when thing's dont work out for you, you whipe in mmo's etc. Winning always gets repetitive and boring.

I would claim its your greed that makes you unable to cope with the fact that something which "had your name on it" may escape your grasp. You can't seem to deal with that at all. But whatever, these "who is the more greedy"-arguments dont lead to anything.

GGG knows the best game is with FFA loot, but they also know that most players are softspined, and so they give them this option because of that.

Only time i can see when not to have FFA is for players who don't want to teamplay and just want to slack around for a good 20sec or so before picking up their loots.

lol is this Vooodu on a dummy account? sounds like it.

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Crackmonster wrote:

Vooodu is right y'all.

It's not about greed. It' about making a better game, and in most cases people do not know what they want, and if they get what they want they just want something else.

It's about greed.

It's greed that motivates you to post here and invent nonsensical claptrap about game quality. It's greed that drives you, COMPELS you to come to this thread and do anything, everything in your power, flailing in abject desperation in the bitter, dire hope that somehow, somewhere, a GGG developer is watching your valiant efforts to defend pure, unadulterated, sadistic greed. And that tingling sensation in your naughty bits? That's your reaction at the thought of inspiring the developers to maintain the current environment of bullying and abuse.

How sad for you, then, that the developers have at last grown up.

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I lose lots of loot, and i find lots of loot. Honestly, you have to be an exceptional slacker or an insane ninjalooter to get more than +/- 15% of loot you deserve.

Then why do you care?

Pointing out for you the inherent, stunningly obvious contradictory nature of your supposed argument is pointless, of course. You're not actually purporting to believe the drivel you spew. We all know that. We all know it's a front. But for those playing along at home, wondering at the astounding mindlessness of such a simple conflict having stretched on for nine hundred inane pages, I'll go through the exercise.

WHY do you CARE about those of us who, for reasons clearly beyond your grasp, would happen to prefer to play a game in an environment that's conducive, rather than antagonistic, to having fun with friends? How does this affect YOUR game experience in the slightest? How are WE, those of us who are friends together, play together, cooperate together, going to affect YOUR enjoyment of the game? Aside from the fact, of course, that we get to stay the hell away from you?

The truth of course is that you don't. You don't care. We could rot in the sun for all it matters to you. Nor are you deigning to speak from some high horse about game quality or similar poppycock. No. Your motives are abundantly clear. Without FFA, you can't steal from newbies. Without FFA, you can't abuse other players, bully other players. Without FFA, YOU CAN'T HAVE FUN.

Why not just say it, then? Why not admit it? To yourself, to everyone else? Pro tip, by the way: we already know. We've known all along. It's really no secret. Your fellow FFA players know. The anti-FFA players know. The devs all know. It's your primary motivation; it's your sole motivation. Vicious, slobbering greed. It drives you. It FUELS you. It seduces you, whispers in your ear of that glorious, delicious moment when you lunge forth and snatch that super rare unique item from the slowbie, then pause, hands clasped in delight as the player begins to wonder at your motivations. Oh, the sweet joy, the purest rapture, as the salty newbie tears flow! Om nom nom!

Go on. Say it. Just once, in this sick, ridiculous thread, I'd like one monster to admit to his monstrousness. Just once, just for the sheer novelty of it, I'd like to see one so-called ninja looter look me square in the eye and say, yep, I enjoy, I PREFER stealing from players, bullying players, abusing players.

But alas, the true nature of the bully is cowardice. My wish will linger forever unfulfilled. It's so close, though. So tantalizingly close. I can smell it on the wind. Here, for example:

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It just happens to be so that some of the most vibrant memories will be regarding won and lost loot, because it adds flavor and depth to the game.

Can you sense it? It lingers, just below the surface. It clings to every word. Just the barest hint. Vibrant memories. Loot won, and loot lost. "Flavor" and "depth"; we all know what those terms mean to ninja looters, don't we, folks?

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I would claim its your greed that makes you unable to cope with the fact that something which "had your name on it" may escape your grasp. You can't seem to deal with that at all. But whatever, these "who is the more greedy"-arguments dont lead to anything.

Yes, yes, taunt the players. Taunt them, and mock them, and ridicule and berate them. Smile as you mock them, a wide, joker-esque, macabre and wild-eyed grin of sinful pleasure, of open delight at the suffering of others. Keep it up. All eyes are upon you, now.

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GGG knows the best game is with FFA loot, but they also know that most players are softspined, and so they give them this option because of that.

That's the spirit. Drive it home, now! The final blow!

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All in all its only when i am nice i feel your case, if i have to be for real then you are just the crying masses.

Oh... OH!!! An orgasmic crescendo of derision, a glorious apex of cruelty and wickedness. Your task is complete; your victim lies in ruin. Smoke 'em if you got 'em.