Might as well bring this up: PLEASE GIVE US A AUCTION HOUSE.

Since this will be the start of a new page...

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Chris wrote:

there will not be an Auction House in PoE

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golem09 wrote:

1. In an auction house you would have to have standardized prizes, or at least prizes the one who put it in demands. This alone is simply unacceptable. I JUST had an ingame trade where I traded something I thought I would never give away to someone who never thought he would ask for it. Not possible with AH.

2. You don't have to be online. That's the whole reason to make an auction house, to sell stuff while the player is away. So there are more people that those who I currently see.

3. In an online game where everybody plays in the same world it is pretty much impossible not to use the AH. And it DOES completely break the ingame mechanic of item gathering. Tradres between players have to be an OCCASIONAL event, not something you routinely check of like repairing gear in other game.

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Chris wrote:

Our plan is that people can trade items without having to load the game client (good luck getting any work or study done now!)

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Our end dream here is that a lot of the games enjoyment can be derived while you aren’t actually running the game. For example, while you are at work, you can still plan out characters and trade for items and stuff while not actually being able to enter the game and kill monsters.

All of your points describe exactly what GGG IS planning on doing. You're so against the AH that you're actually against the system that is on the way in PoE. The difference is that while there will be standard prices, with a bit of wiggle room of course determined by the players' needs, they will be not be set by how much the NPC charges which is what sets the bar and aids in destroying other economies with a uniform currency.

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golem09 wrote:

I would almost go as far as saying that there should be a chat trade channel, that you can only use in towns.
Finding new gear through trading should take a substantial amount of time and concentration and consist of actually talking to people, not checking lists.
You can go play Microsoft Excel if you have fun with those things.

I imagine it to be a Marketplace of sorts and just about every market/auction house in a video game is going to share some basic similarities. Whether you like it or not, this game is online and everyone in the same league does play in the same world. Trading is a major aspect of this game, if you've done any research on the game you would know this, and is inevitable.

I looked at this thread. Then felt revulsion. Then I went to the trading section of the forum, and saw there are several auctions going on.

Pot = Kettle
Tar. Feathers.

Throws weight for an auction house.

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THEHORNEDRAT wrote:

I looked at this thread. Then felt revulsion. Then I went to the trading section of the forum, and saw there are several auctions going on.

Pot = Kettle
Tar. Feathers.

Throws weight for an auction house.

There's a huge difference between posting a thread about selling an item, and using some sort of automated system that allows you to search for items, bid on things, and deliver them to the winner.

For example:
Look at how well this auction went

Hmmm. after I posted that, It got me thinking. Sometimes verbalizing my thoughts help me to refine ti more a bit...

I think if its going to be website based trading, Ebay style. Maybe not so AH, eh?


I like how you (and me) choose threads that suit our purposes in advancing our positions:

Here are some fine examples of auctions
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/37782
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/37920
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/37370
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/37146

I'm very confused as to which side of the argument HORNEDRAT is arguing for.

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FaceLicker wrote:

All of your points describe exactly what GGG IS planning on doing. You're so against the AH that you're actually against the system that is on the way in PoE. The difference is that while there will be standard prices, with a bit of wiggle room of course determined by the players' needs, they will be not be set by how much the NPC charges which is what sets the bar and aids in destroying other economies with a uniform currency.

I imagine it to be a Marketplace of sorts and just about every market/auction house in a video game is going to share some basic similarities. Whether you like it or not, this game is online and everyone in the same league does play in the same world. Trading is a major aspect of this game, if you've done any research on the game you would know this, and is inevitable.

The difference in GGGs actual system is that there will be no automated bartering as far as I've seen. You still have to look through offers sorted by people, not items, to find what you need and then discuss the trade. You have to invest time in finding 1. the item. 2. something you can offer that is of any value to the seller. Everything GGG offers outside the game is simply closing the deal in your browser.
I have never heard anything about a marketplace, and I've read and listened to almost every interview I could find. Only a browser trading system, which I imagine as going to the profile of a forum member and select "initiate trade".
But don't get me wrong. I love trading in this game, it's one of the things I'm spending a lot of time on ingame. I love actually looking through offers "in the moment" when somebody is actualy there, offering them. But combined with the forum, I am of course also looking forward to the browser based trading.

But I don't think it will offer the possibility to click on "one handed swords" - "sort by dps" "filter lvl" - "play the game for me pls"
A marketplace would just be another name for an auction house.

I'm surprised that this hasn't been locked, especially seeing that people have linked directly to Chris saying it's not going to happen.

But I find the discussion about how the Trading boards facilitate a form of auction interesting.

I think PoE can have auctions *without* an Auction House. I think it already does. You can't stop players from trading the way they want to, and I don't think you should even really try. One of the most fascinating angles of PoE for me is how players work around the 'limitations' and innovate their own methods. The currency system has no set ratio of values, but a rough one has emerged based on various factors nonetheless. That's very cool.

If players want to see the trading boards as an auction house, so be it. I still think this is significantly different than what most people when they're calling for an 'Auction House' in this game. Anything you can call up in-game for the purposes of mass-trading/shopping of gameplay items with other players, typically with a search function, would really detract from the core of an ARPG in which loot-hunting is really the beating, bleeding heart of the experience.

I don't think we'd even be having this conversation had someone not already tried to impose what was otherwise a functioning angle of the MMO (where loot-hunting is a whole different process) onto an ARPG.

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

If players want to see the trading boards as an auction house, so be it. I still think this is significantly different than what most people when they're calling for an 'Auction House' in this game. Anything you can call up in-game for the purposes of mass-trading/shopping of gameplay items with other players, typically with a search function, would really detract from the core of an ARPG in which loot-hunting is really the beating, bleeding heart of the experience.

Agreed, that's what I was trying to say earlier, Charan is just more eloquent.

You couldnt have an AH with out gold or the like how would you pay for anything with the current system lol each AH trade would need a degree in bartering to be successful.