Grace & Determination were nerfed, aura cost was not

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Ragganmore wrote:

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MLGonthorian wrote:

That's right, enjoy a 49.98% decrease in defenses from both Determination and Grace, but don't worry the new armor bases make up for it, except they don't, because if you calculate the armor & evasion you had with pre-nerfed determination & grace with the old bases, it ended up being more armor & evasion than with the new bases plus new changed number auras. Therefore, it's a NET nerf as usual.

So in summary, less determinism from gems/auras in terms of getting defenses, just rely on RNG drops from new armor bases instead. Are they going to reduce the mana cost at all to compensate how much defensiveness you lose with the new auras? No. Oh and the monster defenses and offenses? Stays the same. Are the Archnemesis mods still in the game? You bet.

Do Standard players get the same new armor and evasion changes on their existing gear? Of course not, but do we get the same gem changes to the armor and evasion? You bet. This is balance apparently.

You need to calm down and stop spewing hate just because you are bad at math.
Also we lack information to the values of most new Base Types.

And for everyones comparison.
Having a 20 Quality T1Flat+T1% Armour Glorious Plate in 3.24 came out to it being ~2840 Armour.
Having a 20 Quality T1Flat+T1% Armour Royal Plate (new base) in 3.25 (new Quality calculation) comes out to ~3908 Armour.
(Yes i took Base %ile into account when making the comparison. But there might still be room for error due to the lack of information available at this time.)

That is [b~]1070 Armour back[/b]. From just having a different base and updated quality on a single Slot. (And there is still a prefix open in this example)

Also, just to make sure how impactful the Quality changes are. Using the 3.24 example Chestpiece from above and changing the Quality calculation to the 3.25 value it goes from 2840 Armour to 3110 Armour. 270 Armour increase. Just because the way Quality works got changed. Now do that across your entire character.

Now sure, the chest slot gives the most armour, and many builds don't use a rare item there, or want different stats than armour from it. But it is not the only thing where defenses increased. You got the Quality go from increased to more Defenses per % on every single gear piece. There are new bases for every Armour Slot except Shields. So unless you use uniques in every slot (at which point you don't care about your defenses in the first place) or are an Aurabot pushing %inc Aura Effect, which affects Determ/Grace Flat Values aswell you won't notice much if you simulate the changes in PoB.

Spoiler

Or as for my 3.24 Aurastacker, even gain 150.000 total Armour (my PoB Armour went from 2.100.000 to 2.250.000 on my Armourstacker, which is just gonna be more with new bases and once i can put restricted affixes on actually good bases via Recombinators)

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Bosscannon wrote:

except many uniques are designed specifically to have fuckall defenses and 120% of fuckall is still fuckall

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Bosscannon wrote:

I am specifically talking about non-defensive uniques in major slots that are being disproportionately hit by the changes but you provide examples of specifically defensive items as counter argument how everything is fine... I dunno what else I can add for you to understand.

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MLGonthorian wrote:

That's right, enjoy a 49.98% decrease in defenses from both Determination and Grace, but don't worry the new armor bases make up for it, except they don't, because if you calculate the armor & evasion you had with pre-nerfed determination & grace with the old bases, it ended up being more armor & evasion than with the new bases plus new changed number auras. Therefore, it's a NET nerf as usual.

So in summary, less determinism from gems/auras in terms of getting defenses, just rely on RNG drops from new armor bases instead. Are they going to reduce the mana cost at all to compensate how much defensiveness you lose with the new auras? No. Oh and the monster defenses and offenses? Stays the same. Are the Archnemesis mods still in the game? You bet.

Do Standard players get the same new armor and evasion changes on their existing gear? Of course not, but do we get the same gem changes to the armor and evasion? You bet. This is balance apparently.

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Bosscannon wrote:

I am specifically talking about non-defensive uniques in major slots that are being disproportionately hit by the changes but you provide examples of specifically defensive items as counter argument how everything is fine... I dunno what else I can add for you to understand.

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ArtCrusade wrote:

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Bosscannon wrote:

I am specifically talking about non-defensive uniques in major slots that are being disproportionately hit by the changes but you provide examples of specifically defensive items as counter argument how everything is fine... I dunno what else I can add for you to understand.

Ok, I'll bite. Link me the build from 3.24 that was defensive just by merit of Grace / Determination having those flat values that will not have sufficient defene in 3.25 due to that specific change, in the greater context of base types gaining more flat defence and new tiers being added.

EDIT: just saw the new eva/es body armour base type.

Necrotic Armour
Dex req: 240
Int req: 240
Evasion (max): 1000
ES (max): 280

Versus old Sadist Garb
Dex req: 103
Int req: 109
Evasion (max) 491)
ES (max): 107

I swear y'all crying over nothing.

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Mashgesture wrote:

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Ragganmore wrote:

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MLGonthorian wrote:

That's right, enjoy a 49.98% decrease in defenses from both Determination and Grace, but don't worry the new armor bases make up for it, except they don't, because if you calculate the armor & evasion you had with pre-nerfed determination & grace with the old bases, it ended up being more armor & evasion than with the new bases plus new changed number auras. Therefore, it's a NET nerf as usual.

So in summary, less determinism from gems/auras in terms of getting defenses, just rely on RNG drops from new armor bases instead. Are they going to reduce the mana cost at all to compensate how much defensiveness you lose with the new auras? No. Oh and the monster defenses and offenses? Stays the same. Are the Archnemesis mods still in the game? You bet.

Do Standard players get the same new armor and evasion changes on their existing gear? Of course not, but do we get the same gem changes to the armor and evasion? You bet. This is balance apparently.

You need to calm down and stop spewing hate just because you are bad at math.
Also we lack information to the values of most new Base Types.

And for everyones comparison.
Having a 20 Quality T1Flat+T1% Armour Glorious Plate in 3.24 came out to it being ~2840 Armour.
Having a 20 Quality T1Flat+T1% Armour Royal Plate (new base) in 3.25 (new Quality calculation) comes out to ~3908 Armour.
(Yes i took Base %ile into account when making the comparison. But there might still be room for error due to the lack of information available at this time.)

That is [b~]1070 Armour back[/b]. From just having a different base and updated quality on a single Slot. (And there is still a prefix open in this example)

Also, just to make sure how impactful the Quality changes are. Using the 3.24 example Chestpiece from above and changing the Quality calculation to the 3.25 value it goes from 2840 Armour to 3110 Armour. 270 Armour increase. Just because the way Quality works got changed. Now do that across your entire character.

Now sure, the chest slot gives the most armour, and many builds don't use a rare item there, or want different stats than armour from it. But it is not the only thing where defenses increased. You got the Quality go from increased to more Defenses per % on every single gear piece. There are new bases for every Armour Slot except Shields. So unless you use uniques in every slot (at which point you don't care about your defenses in the first place) or are an Aurabot pushing %inc Aura Effect, which affects Determ/Grace Flat Values aswell you won't notice much if you simulate the changes in PoB.

Spoiler

Or as for my 3.24 Aurastacker, even gain 150.000 total Armour (my PoB Armour went from 2.100.000 to 2.250.000 on my Armourstacker, which is just gonna be more with new bases and once i can put restricted affixes on actually good bases via Recombinators)

Pretty sure its a bot account with rage bait posting automated or something.

Wrong about trans gems, wrong about replica uniques, doesnt seem to know how automation support works, doesnt know how call to arms support worked, doesnt know how autoexertion works even with patch notes and the gem showing what it does, doesnt know the increased effect of multiplicative quality changes...