GGG. I bet you Affliction has the highest player retention since 3.10,3.11 and maybe 3.17

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auspexa wrote:

why is this league generally praised? because even the most casual person can make some cash and can afford good stuff such as perfect rares and chase uniques. then why aren't we playing games where that's a natural thing and you don't need to rely on temporary mechanics or unintended interactions to get good gear?

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jsuslak313 wrote:

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auspexa wrote:

why is this league generally praised? because even the most casual person can make some cash and can afford good stuff such as perfect rares and chase uniques. then why aren't we playing games where that's a natural thing and you don't need to rely on temporary mechanics or unintended interactions to get good gear?

Becuase this would end the experience far too quickly for most. The rate of acquisition of gear in non-SSF is okay: its SSF that is TERRIBLE because it is ALSO based around being able to trade....when you can't.

Last Epoch really hasn't gotten it right either yet. I played for 2 months, maxed out 2 characters (and I mean FULLY maxed out), and there is...no reason to play anymore. There are no more goals to achieve.

I've been playing PoE for 12 years and I've maybe successfully crafted my own mirror gear twice? And I've only ever MAXED out maybe 3 total characters across thousands. So there was ALWAYS a reason for me to keep coming back, on new characters as well as old.

All that said, GGG doesn't have it in the right place yet...I think there are many item-based improvements to be made, but they need to be made VERY carefully, lest we go back to OG Harvest perfectgearfest.

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jsuslak313 wrote:

^except you said the exact opposite of that in your last post!

You said why aren't we seeking out games where the best loot is readily available, because that is why this current league is "great"....but then you just said oh but its NOT the loot that makes PoE great. So which is it?

I very much agree with your last post, but I mostly disagree with two posts ago...you are basically offering two totally opposing viewpoints.

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auspexa wrote:

meanwhile it's the league that probably made me quit poe 1 for good. playing ssfhc in last epoch made me realize that softcore of this game has become a joke over the years and is no longer fun. I've never played ssf in poe, because it's boring, and every time I played hc in poe, I died to some random shit or a crash. on the other hand, going ssfhc on a blind playthrough worked perfectly fine in last epoch. it also worked in grim dawn when I played it and it was hella fun.

why is this league generally praised? because even the most casual person can make some cash and can afford good stuff such as perfect rares and chase uniques. then why aren't we playing games where that's a natural thing and you don't need to rely on temporary mechanics or unintended interactions to get good gear?

people are basically praising GGG for providing a solution, to a problem that's created by GGG in the first place. there won't be a league like this in the near future where everything is accessible by everyone, and if that's what people want to see, just move on to other games where things are inherently easily accessible

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Trymax wrote:

It seems to me that you are confused in what you are saying. When you say " ", should I remind you what happened on the following leagues Heist? Harvest? Legion? Blight? Delirium? Ultimatum? breach? Expedition? Although I understand, among other things, that among these leagues, not all were as juicy as the current one; but they had nothing to envy either. So the question is, why do people salute GGG for this league? The answer is rather simple, it’s not that easy in solo hight juice maping, it’s a lot ( really much ) more fun than a league, for example huh, where you fight with towers that spawn mobs. Among the most acclaimed leagues, they are almost all leagues mapping, Some were exceptions like heist, but it remained a certain content outside the so-called classic maps; but which strongly resembled it, with mechanics specific to itself. Especially as another factor currently plays, it is the amount of veteran in the game, the more you advance and the more there are, the more you advance in time and the more there are tutorials, site and other that accelerate the rise in power of new players. Poe currently is quite complicated so that those who have 2 of IQ have trouble, like those who are veteran and yet, bite their tongue at the level of changes during the patches and must therefore trample their mind, to restart their heart build ( hello my CoC ice nova ).

Personally, I salute GGG for leaving this "juice mapping problem" and also for having managed to make a juicy league mechanics while being not so simple even by putting mirrors in 5 different builds ( things I did, and the only one that juice mapping perfectly, for not too expensive, is the self ignite chieftain, and I would have understood if GGG had it nerf). It’s been a long time since I’ve seen so much activity on the trade...

This being only my opinion, hoping not to have offended your opinion, I respect it, although I disagree.

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Timbo Zero wrote:

I agree, but they have to learn to find a middle ground

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Pizzarugi wrote:

MFers found strength in their Afflictions. They became reliant on juice. I am not so foolish.

There will be a poverty league coming up next. According to what I was told, from a recent interview, the devs who attended regret their decision making this league as lucrative as it is. If anyone was smart, they would minimize their time engaging with this mechanic so they will be better prepared for next league.

That's what I did. I avoided Affliction and wisp juicing as much as possible. My currency came instead from making Incursion temples, opening strongboxes, and Harvest. I may not be rich, but I am mentally grounded for next league and won't be devastated when Affliction goes away.

And make no mistake, nothing from this is going core with the exception of maybe the uniques.

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auspexa wrote:

meanwhile it's the league that probably made me quit poe 1 for good. playing ssfhc in last epoch made me realize that softcore of this game has become a joke over the years and is no longer fun. I've never played ssf in poe, because it's boring, and every time I played hc in poe, I died to some random shit or a crash. on the other hand, going ssfhc on a blind playthrough worked perfectly fine in last epoch. it also worked in grim dawn when I played it and it was hella fun.

why is this league generally praised? because even the most casual person can make some cash and can afford good stuff such as perfect rares and chase uniques. then why aren't we playing games where that's a natural thing and you don't need to rely on temporary mechanics or unintended interactions to get good gear?

people are basically praising GGG for providing a solution, to a problem that's created by GGG in the first place. there won't be a league like this in the near future where everything is accessible by everyone, and if that's what people want to see, just move on to other games where things are inherently easily accessible

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Timbo Zero wrote:

I agree, but they have to learn to find a middle ground

I disagree. The whole point of temporary leagues/ladders is to create diversity and variety. It's totally OK for some leagues to throw currency your way (Affliction) and for others to be more "grounded". I fear that if they "find a middle ground", some of this diversity and variety disappears.