[NOT UP TO DATE][11.0e] Vinz's 7-Aura Mass Shock 20k dps LS Build (With Gamplay Video)

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Eightkilo wrote:

Hey Vinz.

As you may or may not know, I have a LS build in the marauder section and after theorycrafting and playing LS for more than 3 months now, as both marauder and duelist (currently 89 marauder in HC - had 2 duelists that now rest in default at level 78 and 82) I have a few questions and comments about your fine build :)

First off:

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vin_chow wrote:

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BillyC wrote:

Any advantages starting Duelist over Marauder?

Armor, Attack Speed, Projectile Damage nodes. Basically a more offensive start compare to Marauder. I picked Duelist because there isn't any wasted skill points, Marauder start will have to spend 2 point on +10 strength node to Elemental Adaptation (two 10 str nodes on top of Diamond Skin). Everything from Marauder are attainable on duelist starting area, but if you %life and a more defensive build, Marauder is not a bad choice.

I agree with you on the more defensive/offensive part. However not on the wasted stat part. Armour is pretty much the same and projectile damage? That's in fact the opposite, since duelist is melee phys damage start.

In my opinion "increased melee physical damage" nodes are wasted passives. Maybe not wasted, but a stat to avoid if possible, since you can get better physical nodes that compliments both the melee and projectile attacks. The 8% mana node is a wasted stat though. Both starts have "wasted stats".

The point in going marauder is that you can skip the start of duelist tree completely (you still have the option to go there of course, just as duelist can go marauder).

Considering how many points you need to get duelist nodes, I feel you can get way better results going around it.

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Eightkilo wrote:

A small stat comparison between the builds, both at level 85:
Your duelist build (skipping marauder start)

182% increased maximum Life
2.5% of Life Regenerated per Second
52% increased Armour
+12% to all Elemental Resistances
40% increased Elemental Damage with Weapons
59% increased Physical Damage with Two Handed Melee Weapons
96% increased Physical Damage with Swords
20% increased Attack Speed with Swords
27% increased Attack Speed
12% increased Attack Speed with Two Handed Melee Weapons
35% increased Melee Physical Damage
+64.4% increased Melee Physical Damage

My marauder build (skipping duelist start)

250% increased maximum Life
4% of Life Regenerated per Second
71% increased Armour
+32% to all Elemental Resistances
40% increased Elemental Damage with Weapons
18% increased Physical Damage with Two Handed Melee Weapons
84% increased Physical Damage with Swords
20% increased Attack Speed with Swords
15% increased Attack Speed
+68% increased Melee Physical Damage

Round-up

Your build have:

-68% life (-93% if you count carnage)
-1,5% life regen
-19% armour
-20% all res
+18% increased Physical Damage with Two Handed Melee Weapons
+12% increased Physical Damage with Swords
+24% increased Attack Speed
+31,4% inreased melee physical damage

It's pretty clear that your build is the more offensive and perhaps standard oriented version of the two.

But as you probably also have experienced, is that if you start to go above 20k dps, reflect becomes very dangerous. I'm at 19,5k dps right now with life leech gem and I'm trying NOT to go up any further.

If you don't have a Kaoms like you do, then having even close to 20k dps with 157% life will certainly kill you on reflect or even in more difficult maps. I have about 500 less life than you (5,5k) without Kaoms. That's pretty huge.

Another thing is the melee physical damage gem you use. This one puzzled me. Knowing that you are aware of the fact in only affects your melee strike, I'm wondering why you are still using it. I honestly believe you can get WAY better results from using multistrike or go life leech and drop your carnage for a better amulet. Or even added fire would be a more efficient choice. With your attack speed, multistrike is insane though.

Just a few observations and comments, hope that's okay :)

/8k


edit: It does look like you use multistrike in your graveyard video, if that's your latest one? Maybe the gem section is just outdated a bit?