Arctic Armor and Mana Regen: Something doesn't add up

Edit: I see now that he does state that Inner Forces increases the damage reduction. So at least it's fair.
Last edited by Dracobane#7006 on Mar 20, 2013, 12:48:34 PM
The mana cost doesnt seem like a buff to me........ Thus it shouldnt be effected by Inner Force...
Last edited by BrutalAnakha#7943 on Mar 20, 2013, 1:00:38 PM
righteous fire degen and blood rage degen both get "buffed" by innerforce, why should ice armour be any different?
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GGG_Neon wrote:
I notice you have Inner Force.

Inner Force will increase the mana consumed both stationary and moving by 30%, as well as increase the amount of damage mitigated by 30%.

So it is actually draining (21.8*1.3 = 28.3) + (109.2*1.3 = 142) = 170.3 mana/second, excuse the rounding.


Shouldn't Inner Force only have a positive effect? Does this mean Inner Force also increases negative aspect of for example Blood Rage?
Last edited by Startkabels#3733 on Mar 20, 2013, 5:26:34 PM
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Startkabels wrote:

Shouldn't Inner Force only have a positive effect? Does this mean Inner Force also increases negative aspect of for example Blood Rage?


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CAJOS wrote:

righteous fire degen and blood rage degen both get "buffed" by innerforce, why should ice armour be any different?
I'm no beast of burden...
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BrutalAnakha wrote:
The mana cost doesnt seem like a buff to me........ Thus it shouldnt be effected by Inner Force...


That's not really how it works. The arctic armour itself is the buff, not each individual effect that it might have. It's not broken, it's by design.
Arctic Armour puts a buff on you. This buff provides four stats:
1) Flat Physical Damage reduction
2) Flat Fire Damage reduction
3) Mana Degen
4) Additional Mana Degen while moving

That's not four different buffs/debuffs, it's a buff with four stats.
It's considered a buff as opposed to a debuff because it's overall positive to you and is something you chose to apply to yourself that you can turn off at any time.

Because it's a buff, Inner force affects it, increasing all it's stats. There is no way for inner force to distinguish between a positive and negative stat, as pretty much any stat could be positive or negative in certain situations at certain values. Inner force simply sees you gaining stats from a buff, and increases them.


UPDATE: Found the discrepancy! My description was partially wrong.

Arctic Armour actually involves two effects. It applies a buff, which has three stats:
1) Flat Physical Damage reduction
2) Flat Fire Damage reduction
3) Mana Degen

That's one buff, and affected by inner force as described above.

When you begin moving, it adds a second, invisible effect, which has one stat:
1) Mana Degen
This is removed again when you stop moving.
This is an invisible, background effect, so Inner force doesn't count it as a buff (it affects buffs in the sense of things giving buff icons), and thus is not affected, while the base mana drain, being part of the buff, is.

That's fairly unintuitive and in terms of this skill, inconsistent, so I'll be looking at ways to improve this in future.
Last edited by Mark_GGG#0000 on Mar 21, 2013, 12:31:54 AM
Now that that's settled, can we solve this drain/regen issue?
The issue was found and the new explanation for the mana issues has been identified, read the editted post Mark has submitted for a better and more accurate explanation of how it is working!

Hopefully that clears everything up.
I could be wrong here, but following this same logic, discipline is a buff, it's one we choose to apply to ourselves, and thus if we have inner force it should increase the mana reserved to use it. *shrug*

I mean if you guys want it to work that way, you're the guys in charge, I just don't understand why it's the only skill in the game that follows this set of rules, no other skills have increased costs when using inner force right?
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Last edited by jeffadkins51#5928 on Mar 21, 2013, 6:29:55 AM

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