Cyclone

I just killed Cruel Vaal at level 44. I had a nice weapon, but it was super easy and safe.
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Why does removal of movespeed via ailments stop the skill but using a quicksilver flask mid-cyclone doesn't affect (increase) the speed of the rest of the cyclone?
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Imml wrote:
Update to my previous post Ive leveled cyclone to match my level and it still sucks. A 5linked cyclone costs 100 mana and does 300 damage vs a 3 linked cleave that does 1300 damage and since the cyclone cost so much mana I cant even run as many auras as I could with just cleave.

Trying to kill a group of mobs with cyclone is like trying to shave with safety scissors.


What is ur setup with it? I think ur setup isnt suited for ur build/setup as I've seen people reach over 1500 dps with it lol. I myself am about to hit lvl 40 so I can use this badboy:


That one combined with Weapon Elemental will make me surpass ur measly 300 dps with a 3link so Im curious to ur setup.
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Can I ask why Cyclone is nerfed for duel wielding as opposed to 1h&shield/2h weapons?

Listed dmg 2* 1h:
Cyclone: 1800
Cleave: 6252

Listed dmg 1h:
Cyclone: 1480
Cleave: 2875

Obviously we're not supposed to use cyclone when duel wielding?

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snowplow wrote:
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"WAY more damage?"?? LMAO first level WW is -50% damage. Considering this gives 2 attacks PER SPIN there's virtually no way it's less attacks than WW (too many mechanics to nail this down OFC but be reasonable, if that's in your repertoire), Cyclone is -30% (total of 70% from 35% + 35%) so please, use your head before posting.



-Aaron


WAIT, did you just compare LEVEL ONE barb whirlwind to a leveled cyclone? ROFL. Now why the hell would you even think its a good argument? Maybe you are the one who needs to use you're head.

btw level 20 is +102% damage and WW barbs are going to have way more then 20 points.

just LOL at you trying to compare cyclone to a LEVEL ONE WHIRLWIND when I said that WW did tons more damage

BTW it does do tons more damage, no WW barb uses level 1...rofl.


I'm so glad you're amused. I compared level 1 ww to level 1 cyclone. We have a problem in this thread where different people are trying to make different arguments about different levels of cyclone, clearly.

I am responding from MY experience, and that is with lower levels of cyclone. It is great. It is powerful. Mana is not an issue. I will go into more specifics in a later post, this is just a response to your childish ranting.

If there's a SCALING problem with cyclone then people should say that. I haven't read that yet. I just read general whining that it's never strong, etc.

And that is simply NOT TRUE. My dualist proves it.

-Aaron



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Syphia wrote:

I'm sorry, but you are saying that something works amazing based solely off of your experience with it mid-level??? the part of the game that is easy no matter what build, gear, or skills you are using, as long as you know how to play the game? The real test is actually testing it at end-game, where it counts. Can you really say that this skill would not be improved by shortening the distance/duration of it and reducing the mana cost slightly, so that it is a more maneuverable skill? That does not make the skill mindless, and I am not even saying that straight damage should be buffed, because making the changes I am talking about would eliminate the need for that, as we would be able to hit the targets more than once or twice before passing it by, and would be able to circle a mob until it is demolished. Test the skill out at level 70, then tell me how well it works. This is not about anyone being called out on being a "noob" or not, it is about the overall quality of a skill, and feedback on what is good about it, and what could use improvement. Thanks.


Those changes I can absolutely agree with, and thank you for the considered response.

YOU may be talking about end game but if you read a lot of the comments in this thread, people are saying cyclone sucks THROUGHOUT.

And it does NOT. Now, if it sucks endgame, that's a scaling issue. So critique it in those terms and your argument will be clear. Is that reasonable? =D

-Aaron
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Aquilus wrote:
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evilcloud5 wrote:
After further testing with the skill, I decided its not as bad as I had initially thought. My suggestions is to increase the aoe alittle to help alleviate some targeting issues with the skill, and perhaps bump up the dmg effectiveness to 40-60%.


This mirrors my experience with it as well. Even with Master of the Arena, it feels like the AoE is smaller than what the visuals indicate. Master of the Arena definitely seems mandatory for the skill as it is though, as it definitely helps significantly. After getting it, I no longer have to literally pass through the enemies to deal damage :p


I know I'm spamming right now, but I think this skill is better for dual-wield the way it's designed. If you want AOE with a 2-hander you probably are better off with cleave or sweep perhaps (not tested or compared so don't pounce on me) or whatever.

This is because with cleave, for example, there's a 40% extra damage penalty if dual-wielding. I believe, in my build and gameplay, that is what is making Cyclone a better skill for me than cleave. I am about to abandon cleave entirely, in fact.

-Aaron
Thanks for the update Mark_GGG, know that it is much appreciated.
Gonna be looking forward what you guys will come up with for Cyclone.

Though I hope you're not going to be changing the base mechanics of the skill - the potential is already there, I feel it just needs a few tweaks to the numbers to make it shine. Higher damage effectiveness, slightly bigger AoE, that sort of thing.


Ran cyclone with mana leach, weapon elemental, added lightning, and life leach with wrath, hatred auras on and I even grabbed twin terrors to test it with cyclone/claws. I will admit that mana leach and life leach keep me topped off but having to keep 100+ mana to use cyclone in the first place and then having it take 5x plus time to kill then cleave is crazy.
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