Donald Trump and US politics

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MrSmiley21 wrote:

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Schmodderhengst wrote:

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MrSmiley21 wrote:

economy is booming now.

Since when exactly ?

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Since shortly after Trump took office. Anyone paying attention knows the economy in the US is better than it's been in 17 years.

Lots of "now hiring" signs up at places I haven't seen hiring signs up at before. The jobs section of the newspaper is thicker than I've seen in recent memory.

That reflects hope. We´ll see...

Trump is about as centrist as a geiger counter in Chernobyl.

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Schmodderhengst wrote:

That reflects hope. We´ll see...

There used to be 4 temporary employment agencies in my area, and they closed their doors 4-6 years go. 3 of 4 have came back advertising jobs at higher wages than previously.

There was a company who made support structures for mining shafts that shut the doors in 2008-9, and they've since re-opened. An old building that used to be a Walmart 30 years ago that's been vacant for probably 10 years recently had a call center open up at the location. They appear to be expanding the industrial park as well, because I'm seeing a lot of new construction going on in that area.

That's just in the last 3 months or so. This is a relatively small town were talking about with about 50,000 people.

I don't care what some talking head on the news says about the economy, I'm looking for real results like jobs opening up, companies moving back in, jobs paying higher wages, etc.

Trump is going to get the credit for this. The average Joe doesn't care if the left thinks that Trump is a racist. Most people will vote with their wallets.

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Schmodderhengst wrote:

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Trump's actual message was centrist

lol

Even some stupid Trumpers are - with a little help - smart enough to notice it is not. But some are not. They just see the surface, that you are presenting here in an attempt to sell that to other idiots. Like Trump did. You admire that immoral bastard ?

Trump is as much centrist as European far right politicians.

Trump is not a Geert Wilders. So no, he's considerably more centrist than Europe's far right.

There is only one way to interpret Trump as far right — the myth of the dog whistle. It should be plainly evident to a sane observer that the "dog whistle" is a nonsense concept in terms of actual policy — politicians deliver on a pathetic fraction of what they explicitly promise, much less what they ambiguously imply. But Trump is indeed a master of the dog whistle, in its proper context of propaganda and manipulation, fooling the harder elements of the right into ferverently supporting him. The Left reads the faux message too, hence the widespread but false interpretation of Trump as far right, racist, islamophobic, etc.

The video you linked had Trump explicitly deliver a message of tolerance of different religions and sexual orientations, and a condemnation of those who do not share those values. This should have the Left placated and the Right unenthused. It's Trump's clever use of innuendo that instead leaves the Left triggered and the Right loyal. He knows what I know: only centrists apply enough critical thinking to actually listen to the arguments instead of the feels.

Donald Trump needs to announce that ANTIFA and Black Lives Matter are domestic terrorist organizations and disavow them.

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Wraeclastian wrote:

Donald Trump needs to announce that ANTIFA and Black Lives Matter are domestic terrorist organizations and disavow them.

There is a petition to recognize ANTIFA as a terrorist organization that has over 300k signatures at the moment. Signed.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/formally-recognize-antifa-terrorist-organization-0

Also, the State of New Jersey has already declared them as domestic terrorists:

https://www.njhomelandsecurity.gov/analysis/anarchist-extremists-antifa?rq=antifa

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MrSmiley21 wrote:

Trump has already given more to his base, politically, than any other Republican President in recent history.

While true, not a high bar. A throwing of crumbs.

What I used to say was: economically, Democrats promise things I dislike and deliver some of it; Republicans promise things I like and deliver some of the opposite.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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Schmodderhengst wrote:

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Trump's actual message was centrist

lol

Even some stupid Trumpers are - with a little help - smart enough to notice it is not. But some are not. They just see the surface, that you are presenting here in an attempt to sell that to other idiots. Like Trump did. You admire that immoral bastard ?

Trump is as much centrist as European far right politicians.

Trump is not a Geert Wilders. So no, he's considerably more centrist than Europe's far right.

There is only one way to interpret Trump as far right — the myth of the dog whistle. It should be plainly evident to a sane observer that the "dog whistle" is a nonsense concept in terms of actual policy — politicians deliver on a pathetic fraction of what they explicitly promise, much less what they ambiguously imply. But Trump is indeed a master of the dog whistle, in its proper context of propaganda and manipulation, fooling the harder elements of the right into ferverently supporting him. The Left reads the faux message too, hence the widespread but false interpretation of Trump as far right, racist, islamophobic, etc.

The video you linked had Trump explicitly deliver a message of tolerance of different religions and sexual orientations, and a condemnation of those who do not share those values. This should have the Left placated and the Right unenthused. It's Trump's clever use of innuendo that instead leaves the Left triggered and the Right loyal. He knows what I know: only centrists apply enough critical thinking to actually listen to the arguments instead of the feels.

Oh please calling Trump a Centrist is an oxymoron. Trump is a chameleon with his indecisiveness, constant flip-flops, and maneuvering to a favorable side.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

He knows what I know: only centrists apply enough critical thinking to actually listen to the arguments instead of the feels.

I think he just fooled you like so many others. Just in case you really think so.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

The video you linked had Trump explicitly deliver a message of tolerance of different religions and sexual orientations, and a condemnation of those who do not share those values. This should have the Left placated and the Right unenthused.

Why would anyone let the words of bullshit artist spouting ever more bullshit assuage their worries? Anything good Trump says can be ignored, since a lying conman willing to tell you exactly what you want to hear can't be trusted. Anything bad Trump says, conversely, reflects terribly on him, since no good person would say these things.

No rational person will treat the words of a bullshitter as they would the words of anyone else.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

It's Trump's clever use of innuendo that instead leaves the Left triggered and the Right loyal. He knows what I know: only centrists apply enough critical thinking to actually listen to the arguments instead of the feels.

What an absolutely ridiculous claim. How could this possibly be true? Do you believe that, once a sufficient amount of critical thinking has been exerted, people end up in the middle? Do people who begin to lean left or right suddenly lose the ability to think critically? There is no world in which what you said makes sense.

You were always a sucker for the middle ground. Remember - when two sides are unequal, and America's political parties are staggeringly so, the middle between them is not going to be a reasonable position. The right veered into insanity long ago and have only been accelerating since then. If you honestly believe you're in the middle between the left and the right, you're still practically a right-wing extremist.

Also, drop the foolish notion that Trump is anything other than a moron. His lack of intelligence has only become more glaring since the election. Trump's speech is not remotely clever, nor does he know a damn thing about critical thinking.