Donald Trump and US politics

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pneuma wrote:
1. It should be obvious to everyone that the act of reverting all predecessors' executive orders and instituting your own back and forth is a sign that we are not using the right system for the right tasks. The scope of those executive orders is also wildly shifting.

2. It should also be obvious that putting a world-killing button in the hands of one person is a catastrophe waiting to happen, for exactly the same reasons that 3. a command economy controlled by one person's decisions is a historical catastrophe that continues to be repeated.
Numbers mine.

1. Disagree. I consider Executive Orders such as the Trump order to minimally prosecute and penakize failures to comply with the Obamacare mandate to be fully within the purview of what EOs can do. The travel ban is a little more gray area, as I don't think the executive branch should be able to legislate via EO; applying prosecutorial discretion is a separate concept. But that's arguing scope of EOs, which is itself a different concept from mutability. I have no issue whatsoever with a new President reversing the old President's policies (or his own).

2. Strawman. In practice, the nuclear football authorizes individual nuclear silos to launch at local order and instructs them to do so, but it's not automatic. That's why there are articles such as this one discussing whether or not a nuclear strike order would or would not be complied with. What is pivotal to understand is that there is very little time to make such decisions and that the fate of the rest of the world — that is, the part of the world neither attacked or attacking others with nuclear weapons — depends upon the principle of mutually assured destruction being complied with, in the form of annihilation of the aggressor. If I received an order from the President to launch nuclear weapons, my only two questions, that I'd hopefully already know the answers to, are "are we under nuclear attack?" and "by whom?" If "yes" and "those guys," nuke those guys. Simple. If the situation is that we have someone crazy with the football AND we have sheeple who will comply with orders to initiate, rather than retaliate, a nuclear war, then that problem is bigger than just one person.

3. I thought the Fed was run by a board. Granted, board has chairman, and perhaps to much authority in chairman, but still.
When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted.
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ScrotieMcB wrote:
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pneuma wrote:
1. It should be obvious to everyone that the act of reverting all predecessors' executive orders and instituting your own back and forth is a sign that we are not using the right system for the right tasks. The scope of those executive orders is also wildly shifting.

2. It should also be obvious that putting a world-killing button in the hands of one person is a catastrophe waiting to happen, for exactly the same reasons that 3. a command economy controlled by one person's decisions is a historical catastrophe that continues to be repeated.
Numbers mine.

1. Disagree. I consider Executive Orders such as the Trump order to minimally prosecute and penakize failures to comply with the Obamacare mandate to be fully within the purview of what EOs can do. The travel ban is a little more gray area, as I don't think the executive branch should be able to legislate via EO; applying prosecutorial discretion is a separate concept. But that's arguing scope of EOs, which is itself a different concept from mutability. I have no issue whatsoever with a new President reversing the old President's policies (or his own).

2. Strawman. In practice, the nuclear football authorizes individual nuclear silos to launch at local order and instructs them to do so, but it's not automatic. That's why there are articles such as this one discussing whether or not a nuclear strike order would or would not be complied with. What is pivotal to understand is that there is very little time to make such decisions and that the fate of the rest of the world — that is, the part of the world neither attacked or attacking others with nuclear weapons — depends upon the principle of mutually assured destruction being complied with, in the form of annihilation of the aggressor. If I received an order from the President to launch nuclear weapons, my only two questions, that I'd hopefully already know the answers to, are "are we under nuclear attack?" and "by whom?" If "yes" and "those guys," nuke those guys. Simple. If the situation is that we have someone crazy with the football AND we have sheeple who will comply with orders to initiate, rather than retaliate, a nuclear war, then that problem is bigger than just one person.

3. I thought the Fed was run by a board. Granted, board has chairman, and perhaps to much authority in chairman, but still.

For reference I was saying (1) is happening, (2) is a potential threat in our current system, and (3) is a threat observable in many other systems that aren't ours.

To (1), I have issue with presidents reversing previous presidents EOs as a matter of course. 4-8 year volatility isn't healthy for long term planning, and we've seen the process enough times now that it's something we can point out. I wasn't specifically talking about the travel ban.

To (2), except that's an implicit system, not an explicit one. The power certainly is prescribed to the president, and requiring N people to do it is a non-binding implementation of that power. 2-of-3 yays or nays is also a fast system. Slower by a little bit, but with fault tolerance built in. It's a dire trade-off.
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Xavderion wrote:
Next on the job: gay Mooch.



Their heads would fucking explode if he appointed Milo. That would be pure comedy. I hope he does it.
Trump and the DOJ allegedly want to end institutionalized racism:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/01/us/politics/trump-affirmative-action-universities.html
GGG banning all political discussion shortly after getting acquired by China is a weird coincidence.
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Xavderion wrote:
Trump and the DOJ allegedly want to end institutionalized racism:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/01/us/politics/trump-affirmative-action-universities.html
mfw Democrats speak against ending intentional race-based discrimination
When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted.
Kek wills it:

Spoiler
GGG banning all political discussion shortly after getting acquired by China is a weird coincidence.
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pneuma wrote:
To (2), except that's an implicit system, not an explicit one. The power certainly is prescribed to the president, and requiring N people to do it is a non-binding implementation of that power. 2-of-3 yays or nays is also a fast system. Slower by a little bit, but with fault tolerance built in. It's a dire trade-off.


There are humans in the chain, especially at the end where launch is actually done, for a reason. The Soviets didn't trust their people to NOT launch, and so had extra safeguards built in, such as requiring the submarines to be docked to a hard line facility to be authorized for launching ballistic missiles.

There are other safeguards which the public doesn't know anything about, and shouldn't know anything about. In the hands of a smaller, less stable government, those kinds of safeguards either don't exist, or can be made to go away rather easily, which is why we don't want nuclear proliferation.

That Clinton, Bush and Obama stood by and allowed such proliferation should be an international crime. There were ample opportunities to prevent being where we are now.

PoE Origins - Piety's story http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2081910
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DalaiLama wrote:
That Clinton, Bush and Obama stood by and allowed such proliferation should be an international crime. There were ample opportunities to prevent being where we are now.
Nonsense. Unless actively restrained by force, a nation will tend to train smart people in pseudorandom numbers and eventually acquire any manner of technology. To prevent this is worse than a nation oppressing the best within itself; it is us forcing a nation to do so. There is no way of achieving nuclear nonproliferation permanently, and to achieve it temporarily forces the kind of neocon wetdream military interventionism that puts us at maximum risk when prevention eventually fails.
When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted.
Im looking forward to playing fallout: real life

I hear its really hard
I dont see any any key!
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ScrotieMcB wrote:
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DalaiLama wrote:
That Clinton, Bush and Obama stood by and allowed such proliferation should be an international crime. There were ample opportunities to prevent being where we are now.
Nonsense. Unless actively restrained by force, a nation will tend to train smart people in pseudorandom numbers and eventually acquire any manner of technology. To prevent this is worse than a nation oppressing the best within itself; it is us forcing a nation to do so. There is no way of achieving nuclear nonproliferation permanently, and to achieve it temporarily forces the kind of neocon wetdream military interventionism that puts us at maximum risk when prevention eventually fails.


It is just a matter of time before almost everyone would have nuclear capabilities. Lots of countries have nuclear capabilities but they aren't nuclear-armed. Nations possess the capacity to build nuclear weapons but choose not to.

Why do Countries need to build Nuclear Weapons? The same reason they need to build weapons. Defense against external threats. Proliferation begets proliferation. Nonproliferation mean not having nuke and that should include America. It is bought up that America need to cut its Nuclear Arsenal. If we can't trust America to disarm their own nukes, how can we trust them at all. Truth is We don't.

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