Donald Trump and US politics

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DalaiLama wrote:

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ImmaPokemon wrote:

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

I think there are, broadly speaking, two types of transgender people:
1. those suffering under the illness of gender dysphoria, a rare but severe neurological/hormonal condition where one's self-perception of their own gender is in conflict with the reality of their sex, and
2. those who are not suffering in this way, and simply think it would be cool to be the other sex.

The biggest problem with the transgender movement is that those in group #2 attempt to infiltrate group #1. One can tell the left supports this because individuals truly belonging to group #1 can be verified via empirical testing — abnormal brain chemistry leaves physical evidence. Screenings could be conducted to objectively verify known physiological causes of gender dysphoria and prescribe to such people, and only such people, medically necessary treatments. However, the Left resists this, preferring instead that all claims of gender dysphoria go unchallenged, untested, and unchecked.

For those who do not suffer from gender dysphoria yet choose to be transgender, there is no medical urgency and procedures are cosmetic. That said, they should be at full liberty to modify their bodies however they choose, providing they pay for it themselves. Such "trans women" have no more claim to health insurance covering their boob job than a cisgender woman has for her boob job to be so covered... and no less of a right to buy one on the free market.

While I have no objection with non-dysphoric transgendered persons serving in the US military per se, I staunchly oppose any public funding of their hormone or sex reassignment procedures, and frankly I'm against any hormone therapy while on active duty whatsoever (while in reserves may be okay, or maybe not, I don't know). However, as a prerequisite for this acceptance, the afforementioned issues involving screening for dysphoria and differentiating the dysphoric from the non-dysphoric must first be resolved within the healthcare profession; prior to such reform, the impact on military healthcare would be an unacceptable clusterfuck.

At its core, however, being a non-dysphoric trans person is a matter of desire, not physical reality. Merely identifying as wanting to be a sex other than your current sex is but thoughts, and we shouldn't reject soldiers on the basis of "thought crime." Prohibitions should focus on the behaviors of sex change, not on speech. Claiming transgender on Facebook shouldn't get one kicked out of the Army.

For those who suffer from gender dysphoria, I sincerely acknowledge their victimhood, but the US military is not the place for victims. Such people should not be allowed entry into the armed forces.

Point 2 isnt true at all and i stopped reading there. I got trans friends and am active in the community.

Point 2 may be rare, but it occurs. Someone with a broad diversity of transgendered friends - friends who trusted them enough to speak openly, would know this from personal experience. One of the ones I know of is now happily married and other than the loss of muscle mass he experienced for a few years as a woman, doesn't regret that time at all. Another thought it would be cool to be a guy and get all the perqs guys get. She (he at the time) stopped transitioning and said she was disgusted at how guys behaved amongst themselves, and went back to being happily lesbian.

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鬼殺し wrote:

Just pointing out how you lot are the perfect targets for Trump's style of politicking and shock-value flippancy. Two little tweets with very little actual world-changing weight and you're off on the Tangent of the Day. LOL. This is why Nothing Gets Done.

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Raycheetah wrote:

heavily-modded Skyrim

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鬼殺し wrote:

And I thought this thread is about Donald Trump and US Politics. Apparently. Not the nitty-gritty of transgender psychology.

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DalaiLama wrote:

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鬼殺し wrote:

And I thought this thread is about Donald Trump and US Politics. Apparently. Not the nitty-gritty of transgender psychology.

It is the nature of human conversation to reply to what the people you are talking with bring up. The specific daily subjects can and do drift. The MSM has lost their Russia narrative, the furor over Trump's military decision has died down (and I haven't heard yet that he has made it official through proper channels) and the MSM is frantically tossing out ideas for A/B testing. The NK scare isn't going anywhere, and Congress is looking more like a wet paper towel with each passing day that they get nothing accomplished. The investigation is now set to go both ways, and THAT won't be good for the left or for the MSM, as indictments begin to show what the public suspected about Hillary, Susan Rice et al all along.

Meanwhile back at the ranch, the 4D chessmaster/idiot savant/luckiest fool will be poking, prodding, and playing with the various legal toys available to the office of POTUS. Can and should he place Congress on Obama care, for instance.

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SkyCore wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSuD7gMQ0x4
"are they just too dumb to realize whats happening...?"
"and the answer is NOT 'definitely no'"

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sherkhan wrote:

I don't understand the "but the left..." argument.

I expect rational Republicans to admit that Trump is a spoilt gaslighting brat and that his public supporters are equally clueless, and I expect rational Democrats to be disgusted by the non-democratic behaviors exhibited by SJWs and Bernie Bros.

There's no point in defending crazy people because you feel a sense of common identity with them (more defined as against someone than for something, at least nowadays).

I've seen pretty smart people fall into this trap- identifying entire swathes of people by the repugnant minority within that group. I guess the characterization of all Muslims as terrorists came to bite Americans in the ass.