or maybe his missteps weren't that much real and were just amplified by CNN... Name me one seriously BIG mistake he has made so far.
People who voted for him are actually pretty happy so far, he even grew up in popularity in general since the election.
Spoiler
a) he did not grow in popularity. In fact, his approval ratings started low and dropped even lower. last week, he boasted of an approval rating of roughly 50% in one poll, if i remember the podcast correctly, but that was one poll out of many that all had him well below his popularity at election. Of course, feel free to prove me wrong and produce links.
b) hm? really bad things? okay, how about these three:
- he (against advise of his own team) did NOT reaffirm that the USA would come to the help of other NATO-Members should they were attacked. Now, you might not realize this, but this is huge. There must be no doubt that a defense treaty is to be honoured in case of an emergency, lest you invite attacks. why, google Chamberlain and appeasement and world war 2, to get a feeling for the dimensions.
You might say that this is a tactical move to get the other NATO Partners to invest more into their own security. However, with Russia flexing its muscles in the Ukraine and Syria, destructing the trust in the NATOs willingness to defend itself, this move might prove to be very bad indeed.
(Not to mention that the only NATO-Country that ever invoked this clause was the US, and that everyone came to help.)
- he gave secret information to the russians; this was not material US agencies had gathered, but information they had been given by the Israeli under the provision that it was not to be given to other nations, not even allied nations. Intelligence agencies rely on information given by other allied agencies. with the Israeli becoming more careful about what information to share with the US, he endangered US citizens everywhere.
You might say that he has the right to declassify information and share it with whomever he wants to. But with the consequence being that the US will get less information from allied countries, do you really think thatsharing of information was a good idea?
(Not to mention that there was no real upside to proliferating that information.)
- He fired Comey to prevent him from advancing in his investigations into the Connections between Russia and the Trump campaign, thus possibly obstructiong justice.
c) Oh yes, and he did a huge bundle of things that simply should not happen outside of a kindergarden:
- shoving other heads of state out of the way
- forgetting to show the common courtesy of shaking hands of other heads of state
- canceling telephone calls with other heads of state out of the blue simply and out of anger
Heads of state. Well, okay, Chancellor Merkel is NOT head of state, but who cares. Behavior like this is... well, strange.
d) His constant boasting and apparent need for attention leads to very, very strange situations, that I won't go into, either. BUT. Biggest Inauguration, despite of endless prove that it was not? He letting his cronies pretend they revere him in front of the camera?
e) And last, but not least, the things I simply disagree with him. Pulling out of trade deals with the pacific region will most likely result in china vastly improving its influence there. Pulling out of paris means that the trust in the US' reliability will considerably be weakened. Again, for no reason at all. The Paris Agreement had no mechanics to punish countries that did not reach their goals AT ALL. It was a peer pressure thing, prompting countries to act in order to maintain their reliability which... ah, right. whatever bad thing might have come to the US, did already happen - because of Trump. Oh, and don't get me started on Healthcare and Trumps promises during the campaign, all of which he now doe snot remember anymore, simply because he wants to bring something through congress, really anything at all, no matter what, only to be able to say that he ... well, dealt with the ACA.
So that's it. Three big things and a lot of other things that left most people shaking their heads in disbelief, and this list ist missing a lot of things for sure. One just can't keep track.
you read too much CNN
edit: dammit wraeclastian beated me to it
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Yepp, that was about as productive as I feared. To take a seat at the grown up's table, why dont you at least specify what you do not believe? Better yet, which sources you believe?
Yepp, that was about as productive as I feared. To take a seat at the grown up's table, why dont you at least specify what you do not believe? Better yet, which sources you believe?
No, YOU are the one who needs to provide proof but in typical liberal fashion you make fantastic claims but offer absolutely zero proof to back up your claims.
I get it, you hate the USA and you hate Donald Trump.
Now if you live in the country, please go move to a better country and if you don't even live in the USA, LOL! because your opinion doesn't even matter.
Remember when I won a screenshot contest and made everyone butt-hurt? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Yepp, that was about as productive as I feared. To take a seat at the grown up's table, why dont you at least specify what you do not believe? Better yet, which sources you believe?
No, YOU are the one who needs to provide proof but in typical liberal fashion you make fantastic claims but offer absolutely zero proof to back up your claims.
I get it, you hate the USA and you hate Donald Trump.
Now if you live in the country, please go move to a better country and if you don't even live in the USA, LOL! because your opinion doesn't even matter.
Providing proof is a hard thing to do when there is no common ground. That is why I was asking - to establish common ground. There is no need to reflexively lash out.
Also: I do not hate the USA, in fact, I am rather fond of it. That is why I am spending so much time on it. I don't hate Trump, either. I simply believe he is a very, very bad choice for the job.
Lastly - you should really learn to cope with other opinions.
Yepp, that was about as productive as I feared. To take a seat at the grown up's table, why dont you at least specify what you do not believe? Better yet, which sources you believe?
a) Popularity doesn't matter now, it will matter in 2020.
b) 1. This was nothing and got blown up by the fake media. Literally two weeks or so after the media
cried about this he reaffirmed article 5 of NATO. This whole matter had no effect on anything.
2. That was not secret information. He told Russia about ISIS laptop bombs. The bombs have been
public knowledge for at least a month before the meeting, there were articles about it on the
internet.
3. If that was the reason he fired Comey then it only confirms criminal intent. There is still no
criminal act and you need both intent and act to be criminal to consider something a crime.
c) Literally nothing. Media fishing for clicks with faux outrage over miniscule shit.
d) Again, doesn't matter one bit.
e) Since this focuses on Paris, I'ma focus on it too. Paris is mainly a huge subsidy program. Renewables companies all over the world want them sweet free bucks and were mad when Trump pulled out. It's a huge waste of money.
GGG banning all political discussion shortly after getting acquired by China is a weird coincidence.
I don't hate Trump, either. I simply believe he is a very, very bad choice for the job.
Lastly - you should really learn to cope with other opinions.
And just who did you think would be the better choice? He was the best choice we had and unlike all of the other candidates, at least Trump cares more about Americans than people in a foreign country who hate our fucking guts. You can have your own opinions but don't expect people to be civil when your opinions are nothing but unfounded attacks.
Remember when I won a screenshot contest and made everyone butt-hurt? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
To take a seat at the grown up's table, why dont you
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We've been shouldering the NATO burden for a long time. Change of plans: other people can pay up like they said they would or they can fend for themselves. That statement is only as outrageous as the other members of NATO not holding up their end of the deal in the first place.
He gave secret info to Russia to try and stop islamist attacks and save lives. That will probably result in us getting less info in the future, but the innocent lives were worth more at the time. Not easy to tell if that was a good or a bad move. See also: telling Russia to leave that Syrian airfield that we bombed.
He fired Comey because Comey was perpetuating the Russian collusion witchhunt. It's a stupid move, but it's only a criminal one if you have already determined there was collusion despite no evidence. Regardless, Mueller is leading it and the investigation will continue without Comey.
If you were for TPP/TIPP, then I don't know what to say. You're okay with corporations being able to sue sovereign nations? This is something that you actually want? Trade deals are good, but they're not that good.
a) Popularity doesn't matter now, it will matter in 2020.
b) 1. This was nothing and got blown up by the fake media. Literally two weeks or so after the media
cried about this he reaffirmed article 5 of NATO. This whole matter had no effect on anything.
2. That was not secret information. He told Russia about ISIS laptop bombs. The bombs have been
public knowledge for at least a month before the meeting, there were articles about it on the
internet.
3. If that was the reason he fired Comey then it only confirms criminal intent. There is still no
criminal act and you need both intent and act to be criminal to consider something a crime.
c) Literally nothing. Media fishing for clicks with faux outrage over miniscule shit.
d) Again, doesn't matter one bit.
e) Since this focuses on Paris, I'ma focus on it too. Paris is mainly a huge subsidy program. Renewables companies all over the world want them sweet free bucks and were mad when Trump pulled out. It's a huge waste of money.
b) 1. It was not blown up, it got the coverage it deserved. It was huge, as was treated accordingly. the fact that even Trump realized his vast mistake does not undo it.
2. It is true that for weeks there had been warnings about laptops in planes. these warnings were vague. Now, Trump himself tweeted that "As President I wanted to share with Russia (at an openly scheduled W.H. meeting) which I have the absolute right to do, facts pertaining to terrorism and airline flight safety. Humanitarian reasons, plus I want Russia to greatly step up their fight against ISIS & terrorism." The fact that there had been vague warnings before makes it fairly hard to believe that Trump repeated these weeks old vague warnings in order for russia to "greatly step up their fight against ISIS and terrorism". So yes, it is safe to say that Trump did reveal things he himself thought to be new and of interest to the russians, according to his own words. Also, General McMaster appeared to acknowledge afterwards that Thomas P. Bossert, the assistant to the president for Homeland Security and counterterrorism, had called the C.I.A. and the National Security Agency after the meeting with the Russian officials - for what other reason then for them to be better able to contain damage? And why would he do that, if there was no damage possible?
3. Yeah, this will be investigated. Let's talk again in a year or so and compare notes. But aren't you in the least bit concerned that he clearly fired him because of the investigation?
c) Yeah, thats stuff of little to no consequence. nonetheless, it underlines my point that Mr. Trump is not particularly well suited for this job, if he allows for all those thins to happen.
d) Again, thats true. Those aspects alone mean nothing. However, they give reason to fear that it is not reason that drives Trump. Does that not matter to you?
e) Bullshit. The "Renewables Companies" you are referring to included Gap, Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Morgan Stanley, Mars, Adobe, Apple, Exxon, to name a few, wanted to keep USA in the Paris Agreement. And not because they wanted subsidies, but because Climate Change is a fact and needs to be acted upon. Basically the whole world accepted this fact and decided to act.
