Donald Trump and US politics

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pneuma wrote:

Trump did fuck up and lost his temper. Asking Comey to back off of Flynn was absolutely a bad thing to do -- just like Lynch asking Comey to back off of Hillary was a bad thing to do.

Nobody wants to see that in their government.

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Wraeclastian wrote:

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ChanBalam wrote:

This whole Russia thing will go away when the following questions get answered. By answering these, the White House, can put all of this to rest and shut the Dems up. It looks like the White House does not want to answer these questions, so they are making things worse. They are building the Dems case for a cover up.

• How and to what extent did the Russians interfere with the election and did it have any substantial impact?

• Who from the Trump campaign communicated with which Russians, when and why? Why did all of those people try to keep those meetings secret? The appearance of impropriety.

• Michael Flynn, his money, his foreign ties, his hiring, firing, etc. all need to be explained. Hiring a known foreign agent to the top National security job is pretty astonishing.

• What are Trump’s business ties to Russian financing/money, if any? What are Jared’s ties to Russian money if any? Trump needs to clear up the suspicion that he is financially tied to Putin.

• Trump needs to explain what looks like multiple attempts to distract from or sideline the investigation into Russian connections.

If there is nothing there, Trump should be able to show that, otherwise this will drag on for many more months.

The democrats need to show some actual fucking proof of anything or STFU and stop causing drama because Hitlery lost the election.

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ChanBalam wrote:

• How and to what extent did the Russians interfere with the election and did it have any substantial impact?

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ChanBalam wrote:

If there is nothing there, Trump should be able to show that, otherwise this will drag on for many more months.

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ChanBalam wrote:

Nice diversion back to the failed HRC strawman. We have lots of facts already in evidence. Those need to be explained.

We already know that the Russians did attempt to have an influence on the election. We need to know the how and the what related to that.

We know that Trump campaign folks did try to hide meetings with Russians during and after the campaign.

We know that both Donald and Jared have had dealings with Russian financial organizations in the past. those need to be explained.

We know that WH and congressional folks have acted such that it appears that they have been trying to slow or derail the investigation into Russian actions.

Even after the WH learned that Michael Flynn had been compromised, they hired him as the top security cabinet position. this needs to be explained.

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ChanBalam wrote:

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morbo wrote:

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ChanBalam wrote:

• How and to what extent did the Russians interfere with the election and did it have any substantial impact?

The first question is already loaded. It's like asking Hillary, how many illegal aliens did she bus in to the voting stations and paid to vote for her? :)

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ChanBalam wrote:

If there is nothing there, Trump should be able to show that, otherwise this will drag on for many more months.

Prove a negative, yeah sure. -_- Let's the fake news corporate media first prove that there is something. Until then, it's all vaporware, heresay and witch hunt propaganda.

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Do you deny that both Trump and Kushner have had past business dealings with Russian money sources?

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Do you think that Michael Flynn was an appropriate hire for the cabinet?

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ChanBalam wrote:

It is not about proving a negative at all.

So do you believe that the Russian government tried to interfere with the 2016 election?

Do you believe that Flynn, Kushner, and Sessions all just "forgot" they had meetings with the Russians?

Do you deny that both Trump and Kushner have had past business dealings with Russian money sources?

Do you deny that Trump supporters have tried to slow or derail the investigation into Russian interference into the election or the Michael Flynn investigation?

Do you think that Michael Flynn was an appropriate hire for the cabinet?

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pneuma wrote:

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ChanBalam wrote:

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What is the crime for which you are so fervently digging for evidence?
What damage has been caused by this crime?

Or is this more about lashing out because you realize that Trump is going to continue being the president?
Or that you bought into a witch-hunt and are beginning to feel like you fucked up?

It's okay to be honest. You're not the only person in the world who doesn't like Trump -- most Americans don't (currently ~56% disapproval).

There is, however, the rule of law, and of due process. Witch-hunts and other forms of political violence are not something to root for, regardless of what your own political positions are.