Donald Trump and US politics

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SnowCrash wrote:

The conspiracy for Seth Rich is that The DNC or Clinton had him killed? I would think a professional hit man would've made sure he was actually dead. He ended up dying at the hospital which doesn't look like a professional hit. It took 12 days for the info to hit Wikileaks? The private investigator Rod Wheeler is a Trump supporter who was hired by another Trump supporter and not the family of Seth Rich. He also lied about how long he was with the police and that he was fired. Admitted he has no proof of anything. The DC police, FBI, and the family of the Seth Rich say the story is made up.

So you'll bend over backwards to believe that but the Russian investigation is just to far out there for you?

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鬼殺し wrote:

GOOD LUCK CALLING THAT FAKE NEWS. LOL.

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12/ But a grown-ass adult arranging his uniform in a way with novelty pins to give the appearance of being highly decorated? What the fuck.

Spoiler

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soneka101 wrote:

Also, I never noticed how much Americans loved Russians before Trump:

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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SnowCrash wrote:

The conspiracy for Seth Rich is that The DNC or Clinton had him killed? I would think a professional hit man would've made sure he was actually dead. He ended up dying at the hospital which doesn't look like a professional hit. It took 12 days for the info to hit Wikileaks? The private investigator Rod Wheeler is a Trump supporter who was hired by another Trump supporter and not the family of Seth Rich. He also lied about how long he was with the police and that he was fired. Admitted he has no proof of anything. The DC police, FBI, and the family of the Seth Rich say the story is made up.

So you'll bend over backwards to believe that but the Russian investigation is just to far out there for you?

You are presenting a false dichotomy of a sort. I don't believe all those things, and I don't disbelieve all those things either.

To clarify:
* WikiLeaks, via both it's Twitter and Assange, has stopped short of saying it was Rich but have deliberately cultivated the unmistakable implication that it is. Assange talked about how the Rich murder is troubling as a potential scarecrow for future WikiLeaks contributors, WikiLeaks has offered a cash reward for information leading to conviction, etc.
* You're correct in pointing out that the reported physical evidence of the murder does not fit a well-executed professional assassination. However, it doesn't fit a well-executed robbery, either, nor a poorly-executed one. What it does fit is assault with a deadly weapon committed by an amateur — that is, an otherwise normal person. It is not reasonable to expect conspiracy to murder; it could have been someone acting alone, such as someone with whom Rich shared his WikiLeaks secret and who was being transferred to the Clinton Campaign as Rich was. Or maybe a random apolitical homicidal maniac.
* Afterwards, Brad Bauman was assigned to the family as its spokesman. The Rich family is not, um, rich, so having such a hot-shot PR guy is probably beyond them. Unless Bauman is pro bono, he's likely paid by Democrats. Additionally, Seth Rich was a Democrat and his family likely is as well. If Rich was WikiLeaks' source, his motivation was almost certainly pro-Bernie, not pro-Republican, and I think, had Seth lived, he'd have had extreme difficulty deciding if Clinton or Trump is the lesser evil.
* Wheeler either is or was party to fake news.
* The US government campaign against Russia began on or around June 7, according to legiative history of key anti-Russia bills passed late in the Obama presidency. Since Rich was murdered on June 10, this would indicate truly incredible coordination. More likely, elements of the military-industrial complex decided to go after Russia first and manufacture consent second.
* A December report by a private firm blamed Russia for the leaks, after refusing the FBI and providing no solid evidence of hacking to the public.

In summation: Seth Rich is likely the source of the DNC leaks and was probably murdered by someone he knew, acting relatively alone and not informing any higher chain of command within the DNC. Seeing this, the DNC, despite no direct knowledge of Rich's murder, connected enough dots to realize there is a significant chance they employ the murderer(s) and have gone into defense mode as a result, since such a revelation would still be damning if both true and public. Hence Bauman. Later, Russia was chosen as a convenient scapegoat instead of Rich for their narrative.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Obviously Clarke was up to some shady shit he didn't want anyone to know about, so he posted the photo to his Twitter.

Could you possibly be any more russophobic?

PS Updated Seth Rich post on previous page.

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* WikiLeaks, via both it's Twitter and Assange, has stopped short of saying it was Rich but have deliberately cultivated the unmistakable implication that it is. Assange talked about how the Rich murder is troubling as a potential scarecrow for future WikiLeaks contributors, WikiLeaks has offered a cash reward for information leading to conviction, etc.