Donald Trump and US politics

Teaser for information regarding murdered DNC staffer Seth Rich's communications with WikiLeaks to be released tomorrow:
https://youtu.be/JacShITWs-8

Could be yuge... or could be like the Maddow tax returns. Time will tell.
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Last edited by ScrotieMcB#2697 on May 16, 2017, 1:41:54 AM
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Xavderion wrote:


First comment that I saw:
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This is great. I bet Trump created this "leak" himself to troll the media. So funny that they fell for it.


So, there are two possibilities, Trump could have done something really bad that might hurt its relations with its allies, or it's just a scandal that Trump made up to troll the media...

That seems good doesn't it? I mean, everybody is losing their minds, staffers are busy, McMaster had to go to the press to answer questions, some US allies might review their opinions in regards to the US,

BUT

It could all be just a prank.

Wouldn't be fun if it's true? Take that media!

Also, Trump sure does know how to get those ratings. He might suck at doing a president's job, but at least he doesn't suck doing that!

(I wonder what will be Trump's possible next "prank"... Nuclear attack scare? Or will he fake his own death? If he watched a certain show he might want to bring his coffin inside the CNN so he can do a surprise attack: *raises from the coffin* "You are fake news!" *goes to mar-a-lago to celebrate and play golf*)

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Speaking of pranks, someone projected this on a Trump Hotel:
Spoiler


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https://twitter.com/i/videos/864321841078427649

Original tweet: https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/864321841078427649

This is a video in which Trump implies that Hillary could mishandle classified information as President, but according to this:

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For almost anyone in government, discussing such matters with an adversary would be illegal. As president, Trump has broad authority to declassify government secrets, making it unlikely that his disclosures broke the law.


She could just share everything online by twitter and there wouldn't be any problem, she would be the president, so it's not like she would have been breaking the law or anything.

The "Trump shared classified info" was certainly oversold.

Being the source of all classification, anything he wants to declassify he can, at any time. For the impeachment camp, it should've been a non-story. Especially when the information was supposedly something about ISIS and was sharing it with Russia. Not completely unlike telling Russia to gtfo before we dropped bombs on that airport a few weeks back.

I did also hear that the info came to us from an ally, though. If that's true, that's pretty bad. You don't share secrets from allies to non-allies unless you're either purposefully trying to burn the ally, trying to avoid some kind of "really bad" scenario (like bombing Russians in collateral damage), or are just grossly incompetent. Given everything everyone has seen out of Trump thus far, I know I'm personally leaning on the latter.

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I would love for more information to come out re: Seth Rich. It still doesn't sit right with me, esp. after Assange winked and nudged the camera during an interview to imply that Rich was the source of the DNC leaks way back when it happened and Rich got gunned down in the street.
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pneuma wrote:
The "Trump shared classified info" was certainly oversold.

Being the source of all classification, anything he wants to declassify he can, at any time.


Then what we know is that:

1- A sitting President doesn't need to divest from his business.

2- A sitting President can declassify any classified info that he wants to anyone he wants.

So, I'm not saying that Trump is doing it, but let's say a foreign agent want some classified information, can't he just drop some money on one of the President's business, and then go ask him some questions? If the president answer his questions he can just keep dropping some more, can't he?

I mean, having a private business while President is not a crime, disclosing classified info is not a crime, so unless you have a proof that they previously had an agreement of exchanging money for classified info, then isn't all circumstantial?

One example of something that is circumstantial: The Intel community is sure that there was interference in the elections (DNC hacking, russian fake news bots), but they have no proof that the Trump campaign asked for the interference in exchange for favors. So Trump might have been helped by the Russians, he also might lift sanctions that are placed on Russia/might favor Russia in his policies, but unless you have proof that they made an agreement everything can be considered a coincidence.



I don't like Trump, but I'm not saying all this just to bash him, I'm just saying that this system seems to rely too much on the good will of the sitting President.

"But if he is doing something shady he can be investigated", well he can also fire the person who is investigating him, and he can appoint someone that won't, or at least won't do it properly.

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Lots of things we know, we only do because of leaks, so in theory a president could do all that and you wouldn't even know. That sounds like a weak ass system to me.
Last edited by soneka101#4659 on May 16, 2017, 4:59:31 AM
Seth Rich is an American hero.


GGG banning all political discussion shortly after getting acquired by China is a weird coincidence.
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Xavderion wrote:
Seth Rich is an American hero.




What did he do? I couldn't find anything relevant about it on wikipedia.
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soneka101 wrote:
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Xavderion wrote:
Seth Rich is an American hero.




What did he do? I couldn't find anything relevant about it on wikipedia.


Depends on who you ask. There's a conspiracy theory that he was the one who leaked the DNC info to Wikileaks and got killed for it. Nobody but the fringe on the internet actually believed it, but yesterday Fox News picked the story up because Seth's family did a private investigation and apparently found proof that Seth has been emailing Wikileaks.
GGG banning all political discussion shortly after getting acquired by China is a weird coincidence.
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Xavderion wrote:
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soneka101 wrote:
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Xavderion wrote:
Seth Rich is an American hero.




What did he do? I couldn't find anything relevant about it on wikipedia.


Depends on who you ask. There's a conspiracy theory that he was the one who leaked the DNC info to Wikileaks and got killed for it. Nobody but the fringe on the internet actually believed it, but yesterday Fox News picked the story up because Seth's family did a private investigation and apparently found proof that Seth has been emailing Wikileaks.


DNC? The Podesta emails thing?

People be crazy right? Because if that is their theory then it doesn't make much sense, after all there wasn't anything absurd on the emails wikileaks released, and I don't see how killing him afterwards accomplish anything.

But I guess people just want something to talk about... They should try being more creative tho.
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soneka101 wrote:


DNC? The Podesta emails thing?

People be crazy right? Because if that is their theory then it doesn't make much sense, after all there wasn't anything absurd on the emails wikileaks released, and I don't see how killing him afterwards accomplish anything.

But I guess people just want something to talk about... They should try being more creative tho.


Podesta emails were his own private emails on Google Mail. He got phished. The DNC emails are a different matter, the narrative there is that Russia hacked the DNC and passed the emails to Wikileaks. Fox now says law enforcement sources confirm that Seth Rich leaked thousands of emails to Wikileaks. No matter what's actually in those emails, this also kinda kills the Russia narrative. Unless you believe Seth Rich was a Russian agent.

EDIT: I just remembered how the DNC dealt with this alleged Russian hack. They didn't allow the FBI access to their server. They didn't want the FBI to investigate. Instead, they hired a private firm (Crowdstrike) to investigate what happened. Sounds fishy.
GGG banning all political discussion shortly after getting acquired by China is a weird coincidence.
Last edited by Xavderion#3432 on May 16, 2017, 8:36:42 AM
RayCheetah seems less wrong than before, timeline dankness overload: https://youtu.be/6glz4Xluby8
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