Donald Trump and US politics

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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Deliverme wrote:

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I haven't heard any such statement from Giuliani. But just read Trump's order, it doesn't specifically list nations AT ALL, it instead refers to countries listed under US Code. The US Code then circles back to other executive agencies. There's been no changes to the list since Obama, the only change is treatment of that category for next 90 days pending audit of INS vetting procedures.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF2k11QQW0g&t=3m0s

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/01/27/executive-order-protecting-nation-foreign-terrorist-entry-united-states

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/01/30/obama-rejects-comparison-between-trumps-immigration-policy-and-his-own-encourages-protests/?pushid=breaking-news_1485804873&tid=notifi_push_breaking-news&utm_term=.0f8ec25cf0c9

Edit: NM. I have read this already.

Yes, it is his propaganda machine.

The ban will not have much effect, since the policy to prevent terrorism from external sources after 9/11 looked relatively effective.


The key is to give the social classes who is suffering (I mean those ppl who are called "losers") their needed help, instead of access to guns (radical thinking).


If there are not enough safety net in the society, even children from the best parents can be lured into radical thinking, especially when talking about the world most competitive society.

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Bars wrote:

I type at around 80 words per minute.

How fast can you pat yourself on the back?

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Deliverme wrote:

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/01/30/obama-rejects-comparison-between-trumps-immigration-policy-and-his-own-encourages-protests/?pushid=breaking-news_1485804873&tid=notifi_push_breaking-news&utm_term=.0f8ec25cf0c9

Edit: NM. I have read this already.

Yes, it is his propaganda machine.

I direct linked to the order itself. There is zero spin. Also, click "continue to website," doofus.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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Deliverme wrote:

I have to sign up to read.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/01/30/obama-rejects-comparison-between-trumps-immigration-policy-and-his-own-encourages-protests/?pushid=breaking-news_1485804873&tid=notifi_push_breaking-news&utm_term=.0f8ec25cf0c9

Edit: NM. I have read this already.

Yes, it is his propaganda machine.

I direct linked to the order itself. There is zero spin. Also, click "continue to website," doofus.

Like I said, I have read it. I have not called you a single name, nor anyone else. Want to have a discussion? Lets. But dont be rude.

Saying there is zero spin on something that comes directly from the administration is literally absurd. Of course there is spin. He is presenting the information how he wants you to ingest it. Do you think he is going to call it a muslim ban so that he can face impeachment on the same day?

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Deliverme wrote:

Saying there is zero spin on something that comes directly from the administration is literally absurd. Of course there is spin. He is presenting the information how he wants you to ingest it.

By "spin" I mean presenting less or more than the truth of the matter. You can read the entire order there. It is what it is.

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Deliverme wrote:

But, I believe there were like 2 of these 800k that were involved in terrorist plannings and they were caught before the crimes were perpetrated because our vetting system actually works.

Great if your vetting system is excellent, you can take in some of those 800k per year that came into Europe in the last years and weren't vetted at all (yes the liberal idiots in Brussels are dumbfucks). Most of them aren't even refugees, but sneaky welfare leeches, criminals and all sorts of lowlife. Their countries of origin don't even want them back and now Germany will probably have to pay extortion money to get rid of those welfare tourists.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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Deliverme wrote:

Saying there is zero spin on something that comes directly from the administration is literally absurd. Of course there is spin. He is presenting the information how he wants you to ingest it.

By "spin" I mean presenting less or more than the truth of the matter. You can read the entire order there. It is what it is.

Sure, and I have read it in entirety.

You seemed to be posting it in response to my post that had Giulani state that Trump asked for a Muslim ban.

So, I guess what I am getting at is: You are taking the word of this executive action that it has nothing to with the Muslim religion, no? Why would Giuliani state that directly that Trump asked how to do that legally?

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morbo wrote:

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Deliverme wrote:

But, I believe there were like 2 of these 800k that were involved in terrorist plannings and they were caught before the crimes were perpetrated because our vetting system actually works.

Great if your vetting system is excellent, you can take in some of those 800k per year that came into Europe in the last years and weren't vetted at all (yes the liberal idiots in Brussels are dumbfucks). Most of them aren't even refugees, but sneaky welfare leeches, criminals and all sorts of lowlife. Their countries of origin don't even want them back and now Germany will probably have to pay extortion money to get rid of those welfare tourists.

What does that have to do with the US? Are you saying no one should be able to flee their countries for hope of a better life for their family? You know... those refugee low lives. Or, are you saying your country needs better safeguards to ensure your people are protected?

My point was that this ban that just occurred in the US is unnecessary.

By the by it should be noted that I am alive because my leech lowlife of a grandmother fled Romania in the 30s as a refugee from attacks from your country to the US.

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Deliverme wrote:

What does that have to do with the US? Are you saying no one should be able to flee their countries for hope of a better life for their family?

It has to do with the question why would anyone be against taking in millons of "refugees". They can flee alright, but it doesn't mean you have to take them in. Especially not if the major reason they want in, is because of welfare state. You probably don't know, but most the "refugees" that came to EU, only wanted into Germany & Sweden and would immediatelly became violent if their path was barred. Just by coincidence these two countries have the most lucrative welfare programs in EU.

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Deliverme wrote:

By the by it should be noted that I am alive because my leech lowlife of a grandmother fled Romania in the 30s as a refugee from attacks from your country to the US.

Great. How many gay bars have romanian refugees blown up in the US so far? Or trucks plowed into crowds? Has some transilvanian maniac killed any cartoonists for drawing Dracula, yet?