[2.4] THE FREEZERATOR. Dual Cospri's Malice Crit Assassin Lacerate. Frostbolt/Arctic Breath/Vortex

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Yuufe wrote:

What do you think about going life on this build? I know CI is pretty much meta right now, but what's your opinion? I feel like ES is expensive to get.

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maddognils wrote:

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Orca_Orcinus wrote:

I'm pretty sure bosses have 65%. I could check to be sure tho.

Regardless, if you have to use cold penetration support gem in a socket to get what Inquisitor, with ele dmg nodes as well, does, then paper doll is meaningless here, because another support gem would be even that much MORE damage.

I don't know why I have to repeat this to everyone so many times but oh well, the inquisitor fanboyism is crazy when it comes to elemental crit. Everyone just assumes inquisitor is the way to go because hurr durr ignore resists.

Now we are using a 5.5 crit sword here, no crazy high crit foil or dagger like ele buzzsaw.

The sword has an icd of 0.1 second meaning that it maxes out at casting 10 spells per second.

The whole point of the build is to completely drown mobs in Spells. Inquisitor does not get even close enough crit chance to make use of the ICD. Resulting in even as low as 1/4th of the amount of spells as an assassin can throw out.

There's a reason people don't play malice discharge as an inquisitor, it's too unreliable. Lacerate is socketed with multistrike and when I was doing inquisitor testing you were completely reliant on diamond flask on bosses or nothing would happen, you would stand there and spam your lacerate and NOTHING WOULD HAPPEN.

Do you realize how bad that is when your spells also need to crit? Not to mention as an assassin we have 550% multi on crit capped spells, Inquisior doesn't. Even with diamond flask the crit wasn't enough to make use of the 0.1 ICD. You would be better off playing COC with a vagan weapon at that point. That's how bad it was, even with a 60% lacerate crit enchant.

Another thing I forgot to mention, the spells aren't close to crit capped in an inquisitor even with spell crit on the tree, you have to put a crit chance gem in your weapons, so that cold pen we're using? Guess what, suddenly has to be a crit chance gem.

Sorry for the ramble but I have done plenty of testing on both ascendancies and I am sure that assassin is the best choice.

Now you can prevent this by using crit chance gem and +3 crit gloves, but the build feels utterly sluggish when we loose 2 support gems on lacerate.

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Douchebag_Dave wrote:

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maddognils wrote:

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Orca_Orcinus wrote:

I'm pretty sure bosses have 65%. I could check to be sure tho.

Regardless, if you have to use cold penetration support gem in a socket to get what Inquisitor, with ele dmg nodes as well, does, then paper doll is meaningless here, because another support gem would be even that much MORE damage.

I don't know why I have to repeat this to everyone so many times but oh well, the inquisitor fanboyism is crazy when it comes to elemental crit. Everyone just assumes inquisitor is the way to go because hurr durr ignore resists.

Now we are using a 5.5 crit sword here, no crazy high crit foil or dagger like ele buzzsaw.

The sword has an icd of 0.1 second meaning that it maxes out at casting 10 spells per second.

The whole point of the build is to completely drown mobs in Spells. Inquisitor does not get even close enough crit chance to make use of the ICD. Resulting in even as low as 1/4th of the amount of spells as an assassin can throw out.

There's a reason people don't play malice discharge as an inquisitor, it's too unreliable. Lacerate is socketed with multistrike and when I was doing inquisitor testing you were completely reliant on diamond flask on bosses or nothing would happen, you would stand there and spam your lacerate and NOTHING WOULD HAPPEN.

Do you realize how bad that is when your spells also need to crit? Not to mention as an assassin we have 550% multi on crit capped spells, Inquisior doesn't. Even with diamond flask the crit wasn't enough to make use of the 0.1 ICD. You would be better off playing COC with a vagan weapon at that point. That's how bad it was, even with a 60% lacerate crit enchant.

Another thing I forgot to mention, the spells aren't close to crit capped in an inquisitor even with spell crit on the tree, you have to put a crit chance gem in your weapons, so that cold pen we're using? Guess what, suddenly has to be a crit chance gem.

Sorry for the ramble but I have done plenty of testing on both ascendancies and I am sure that assassin is the best choice.

Now you can prevent this by using crit chance gem and +3 crit gloves, but the build feels utterly sluggish when we loose 2 support gems on lacerate.

I have 80% critchance (that's capped with Diamond flask (I just remembered the weapon mod, so it's actually 86% before flask, and capped BEFORE flask if you count the Inquisitor ascendancy)) on Lacerate with the aforementioned setup, way more attack speed and flat damage, 25% less AoE (but with 98% AoE on Lacerate, it shouldn't matter all that much), 60% critchance with spells (that's 84% with Diamond flask).
I mean look, the accuracy gem is not needed (I have 2854 for example), the increased AoE gem is not needed (see above). What 5th/6th gem do you want to put in there? I don't see one that makes much sense. This means we could actually use the crit gloves. But with those we don't need the Assassin ascendancy anymore, and we should opt for one that offers more than just crit.

So let's see: we gain a crapton of damage and more (seriously, look at what the Inquisitor ascendancy gives and what Assassin gives, it's not just ignore resists) for a tiny bit of AoE on Lacerate and the accuracy gem (which is not needed). Wow.
Btw., my critmulti is 474 with barely any critmulti on jewels and no facebreakers.

And where the hell did you get that "1/4" bullcrap from? Don't pull numbers our of your ass. As seen above you can easily cap your crit, and with the 24% AS from the ascendancy and the 9% nearby attack speed you should end up with way more attack speed than the Assassin. Again, don't pull out random numbers.

Btw., I still don't understand why you put 2 active skill gems in 1 weapon. The icd counts for both.

All in all Assassin is easier to start with for obvious reasons, but once you get close to your optimal gear/high lvl, Inquisitor should beat the Assassin in damage output and survivability.

It's fine for me if you prefer the Assassin for whatever reason, but don't spread misinformation please.

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Douchebag_Dave wrote:

I have 80% critchance (that's capped with Diamond flask (I just remembered the weapon mod, so it's actually 86% before flask, and capped BEFORE flask if you count the Inquisitor ascendancy)) on Lacerate with the aforementioned setup, way more attack speed and flat damage, 25% less AoE (but with 98% AoE on Lacerate, it shouldn't matter all that much), 60% critchance with spells (that's 84% with Diamond flask).
I mean look, the accuracy gem is not needed (I have 2854 for example), the increased AoE gem is not needed (see above). What 5th/6th gem do you want to put in there? I don't see one that makes much sense. This means we could actually use the crit gloves. But with those we don't need the Assassin ascendancy anymore, and we should opt for one that offers more than just crit.

So let's see: we gain a crapton of damage and more (seriously, look at what the Inquisitor ascendancy gives and what Assassin gives, it's not just ignore resists) for a tiny bit of AoE on Lacerate and the accuracy gem (which is not needed). Wow.
Btw., my critmulti is 474 with barely any critmulti on jewels and no facebreakers.

And where the hell did you get that "1/4" bullcrap from? Don't pull numbers our of your ass. As seen above you can easily cap your crit, and with the 24% AS from the ascendancy and the 9% nearby attack speed you should end up with way more attack speed than the Assassin. Again, don't pull out random numbers.

Btw., I still don't understand why you put 2 active skill gems in 1 weapon. The icd counts for both.

All in all Assassin is easier to start with for obvious reasons, but once you get close to your optimal gear/high lvl, Inquisitor should beat the Assassin in damage output and survivability.

It's fine for me if you prefer the Assassin for whatever reason, but don't spread misinformation please.

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Yuufe wrote:

Is the only way to get life leech is from the boots enchant?

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Yuufe wrote:

Is the only way to get life leech is from the boots enchant?

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Bada_Bing wrote:

How do you cope with stun?

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I have 80% critchance (that's capped with Diamond flask (I just remembered the weapon mod, so it's actually 86% before flask, and capped BEFORE flask if you count the Inquisitor ascendancy)) on Lacerate with the aforementioned setup, way more attack speed and flat damage, 25% less AoE (but with 98% AoE on Lacerate, it shouldn't matter all that much), 60% critchance with spells (that's 84% with Diamond flask).
I mean look, the accuracy gem is not needed (I have 2854 for example), the increased AoE gem is not needed (see above). What 5th/6th gem do you want to put in there? I don't see one that makes much sense. This means we could actually use the crit gloves. But with those we don't need the Assassin ascendancy anymore, and we should opt for one that offers more than just crit.

So let's see: we gain a crapton of damage and more (seriously, look at what the Inquisitor ascendancy gives and what Assassin gives, it's not just ignore resists) for a tiny bit of AoE on Lacerate and the accuracy gem (which is not needed). Wow.
Btw., my critmulti is 474 with barely any critmulti on jewels and no facebreakers.

And where the hell did you get that "1/4" bullcrap from? Don't pull numbers our of your ass. As seen above you can easily cap your crit, and with the 24% AS from the ascendancy and the 9% nearby attack speed you should end up with way more attack speed than the Assassin. Again, don't pull out random numbers.

Btw., I still don't understand why you put 2 active skill gems in 1 weapon. The icd counts for both.

All in all Assassin is easier to start with for obvious reasons, but once you get close to your optimal gear/high lvl, Inquisitor should beat the Assassin in damage output and survivability.

It's fine for me if you prefer the Assassin for whatever reason, but don't spread misinformation please.