[2.6/3.1] Shaper down on budget 5-link - The Debuffing Pizza (Tri-Curse CI Elementalist Flameblast)

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Scipion75 wrote:

I noticed 2 main diffrences between this build tree (recommended agility version) and the one you are using.
You activated Vaal Pact and Ghost Reaver. You think they are worth it (I read the topic in build Q/A) ?

I think those are recommended only after you have huge ES pool and good damage. I use Life Leech gem on my 6-link, so it eats some damage and you need to compensate with good gear and jewels. I also had 16k ES. If your ES is low, you are "missing" leech by over damaging monsters and even if you're at full ES, you might die relatively easily. When you hit certain ES/dam points, leeching makes mapping and boss killing a lot safer.

I'd recommend VP+GR when you are completely decked out and want to try something little bit different. It also helps to be very high level since these take quite a bit passive points.

Yay just noticed that this little baby (costs 5 ex on std, 20c on legacy) allows us to drop controlled destruction and get 4-link shaper disabler:



In comparision with Controlled Destruction, 44% more spell dmg vs 30% more elemental damage, helm wins (cause double-dips). Also, we already have 110%x10 stacks more spell dmg so 44% is like nothing.

Also, we get only 10 mana cost on 4-link setup, allowing us to get rid of mana issues.

In addition, do not forget to remove stupid golems (liedge), which give us only about 80% incressed dmg, and take mastermind of discord to get 25% fire penetration (seems also double-dips) which is similar to mini-firepen-gem ("more" multiplier again), working well with elemental equilibrium. Also golems always die in shaper room fast, and mastermind works better in any way.

I eyed this build up all last season. Passed by it to do some other, less worthy builds.

Busted this bad boy out this season and it was a bit slow levelling until I tried out that Dark Seer, and that's accelerated me to lakes and it's been a blast ever since. Had to spend approx 180-200c all told in LHC to get geared up but it can be done with way less. Doryani's is the only real pain for broke players.

God tier build, OP. Thanks for the meme caliber ignites.

OP and several others show that they are using anti-Poison flasks. Aren't we immune to Poison (Chaos DOT) as CI players?

yes we are

As Pipendrusu wrote I think 4L helmet build is way better than 5L-chest one.
More damage (1,30² (ddip) = 1,69 more for the burning part (ie main one) of our dmg instead of 1,44 more (@Pipendrusu : which is more anyway so still interesting)+ u keep ur crit rate = means more ignite chance if needed) and less mana cost at the price of a little less QoL stats on helm (30% more ele dmg essence mod is a suffix, so u can get 3 ES prefixes). But i guess u were lucky to get that helmet for such a low price :)

What's more it allows u to put ur orb of storms on ur 5L chest so that it can trigger 3 curses instaed of 2 => no blasphemy needed.

Only 6L can compete ... maybe


I'm interested in ur opinion regarding ascendency points : my golems are always dying too. How do u guys manage to fix it ? guess i'm gonna try mastermind of discord (should not be ddipping but still more efficient than a dead golem^^)

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pipendrusu wrote:

Yay just noticed that this little baby (costs 5 ex on std, 20c on legacy) allows us to drop controlled destruction and get 4-link shaper disabler:

Spoiler

In comparision with Controlled Destruction, 44% more spell dmg vs 30% more elemental damage, helm wins (cause double-dips). Also, we already have 110%x10 stacks more spell dmg so 44% is like nothing.

Also, we get only 10 mana cost on 4-link setup, allowing us to get rid of mana issues.

In addition, do not forget to remove stupid golems (liedge), which give us only about 80% incressed dmg, and take mastermind of discord to get 25% fire penetration (seems also double-dips) which is similar to mini-firepen-gem ("more" multiplier again), working well with elemental equilibrium. Also golems always die in shaper room fast, and mastermind works better in any way.

The essence helmet is a good option. The issue is the price. Getting a good ES and resist roll can be more expensive than a decent 6-link chest. Besides, you can't have an efficient the ultimate move setup on a 4-link. And you can't upgrade FB to a 6-link setup.

Your calculation regarding CD was wrong. 44% more spell dmg IS 44% more final dmg no matter how much stack the FB is.

In addition, the fire penertration it is not double dipping. People tend to overestimate this node. You need do some calculation to see the effectiveness of this node. The comparison is discussed in the Q&A session.

Duplicated

Well I am a bit disappointed now.
Level 85 11.3k ES and roughly 4k damage with CE, I clear maps and bosses without problems till T13 as for now, BUT... I still die in breaches. Overwhelmed.
I use decoy of course and play light FB on trash mobs, not enough apparently. Are you constantly moving in breach or do you stay in a corner and kill everything around ?
Do many people have problems too in breaches with build ?
Thank you for advices, its a pity I cant play breaches, as loot is so good there.

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Scipion75 wrote:

Well I am a bit disappointed now.
Level 85 11.3k ES and roughly 4k damage with CE, I clear maps and bosses without problems till T13 as for now, BUT... I still die in breaches. Overwhelmed.
I use decoy of course and play light FB on trash mobs, not enough apparently. Are you constantly moving in breach or do you stay in a corner and kill everything around ?
Do many people have problems too in breaches with build ?
Thank you for advices, its a pity I cant play breaches, as loot is so good there.

Do NOT use CE for mapping. Use Increased AOE instead unless you are doing Shaper/Guardians. The proliferation should clear Breaches easily. And don't forget to set up the TC-Blasphemy.