Witch - [2.6/3.1] Shaper down on budget 5-link - The Debuffing Pizza (Tri-Curse CI Elementalist Flameblast) - Forum

" GranTib wrote: The clear speed is ok/good, the thing is that's it have the same clearspeed on t1 than on t14 maps because you just oneshot everything except some rare monsters with specific suffixes (in this case you still 3shot them) and that's the most positive point of the build to me. It also get less clunky when you understand that you dont need 10stack of pizza to clear mobs and you cans very easely go for 2 quicksilver flasks. Ofc its still a channeling cast build, it's not a whirling/dualstrike build-like. At some point it become difficult to swap from firestorm to pizza because of the clunkyness (I made this swap very late,lvl 70 I think). The major negative point to me is the "budget" aspect of endgame. I'v tryed tome t14 maps, mostelly without dying while most of my stuff is bad and the rest is ok. Then I'v tryed some 3 random t15maps and was unable to deal with bosses(seriusly, dark forest???), any dot is a rip, any constant damage is a rip and any really fast boss is a rip as well. This is maynly because today, you need something to tank for you or you need a leach build to go through endgame in Poe, if you went for no leach build, you need insane damage or insane tankyness (cyclone, warchief etc...). The budget part for endgame is also something we can discuss unless you want to play with 5-6k es to have max res, any decent es gear piece is 60c minimum. To me the fact that it only require 5link dont make this build "budget" but "achievable" as a 6L es armor with decent stats (600-700es)cost 300c minimum. Overall the build is very cool but i think it have it's limits and by "limits" i mean things you cant do even with full mirrored epic stuff, I think you can deal with shaper and breachlords with some "ok" stuff, but i dont even think it's possible to complete t15 for exemple, and havent tryed guardians. Maybe i'm wrong tho. Please kindly check the Achievement/Feedback sessions in the guide. T15s are a piece of cake really. In fact it feels the same mapping in T16+ (except for boss fights) and mapping in T15- because you oneshot everything (including T15 bosses that don't have phases). Some members use this build to kill Shaper in HC or achieve 40/40 challenge, so it's quite HC viable. Do you setup the Temporal Chain and Decoy Totem properly? BTW, some items become rather expensive in this league. For example, Doryani cost 1c, Energy From Within cost 8c when the guide was published. Fortunately they are not mandatory to make the build work. In the Final Gear section OP used a 475ES chest, which is always "budget" even in this league. :D	Posted by loonger#5545 on Apr 2, 2017, 9:47:55 PM Quote this Post
" GranTib wrote: The clear speed is ok/good, the thing is that's it have the same clearspeed on t1 than on t14 maps because you just oneshot everything except some rare monsters with specific suffixes (in this case you still 3shot them) and that's the most positive point of the build to me. It also get less clunky when you understand that you dont need 10stack of pizza to clear mobs and you cans very easely go for 2 quicksilver flasks. Ofc its still a channeling cast build, it's not a whirling/dualstrike build-like. At some point it become difficult to swap from firestorm to pizza because of the clunkyness (I made this swap very late,lvl 70 I think). The major negative point to me is the "budget" aspect of endgame. I'v tryed tome t14 maps, mostelly without dying while most of my stuff is bad and the rest is ok. Then I'v tryed some 3 random t15maps and was unable to deal with bosses(seriusly, dark forest???), any dot is a rip, any constant damage is a rip and any really fast boss is a rip as well. This is maynly because today, you need something to tank for you or you need a leach build to go through endgame in Poe, if you went for no leach build, you need insane damage or insane tankyness (cyclone, warchief etc...). The budget part for endgame is also something we can discuss unless you want to play with 5-6k es to have max res, any decent es gear piece is 60c minimum. To me the fact that it only require 5link dont make this build "budget" but "achievable" as a 6L es armor with decent stats (600-700es)cost 300c minimum. Overall the build is very cool but i think it have it's limits and by "limits" i mean things you cant do even with full mirrored epic stuff, I think you can deal with shaper and breachlords with some "ok" stuff, but i dont even think it's possible to complete t15 for exemple, and havent tryed guardians. Maybe i'm wrong tho. I did this build as my league starter in breach having not played the game for about 2 years. For me, it destroyed everything up to T15 but stalled out trying to kill guardians. I think I killed minotaur with some struggle but failed on hydra twice. Did not try phoenix or chimera. With hydra, there was just too much going on on the screen and it would keep teleporting around as I was channeling my flameblast. IMO, the guardians are the only problems as a noob and playing on a budget. It 1 shot everything before that. Also it's not hard to hit 10k+ ES. Most of the ES gear I bought on poe.trade for <5c each. 150 ES gloves/boots, 300 ES helm etc. It's there if you have live searches up and snag deals instead of buying whatever's available at the time because all you find are 2 week old things no one wanted.	Posted by Astrohawke#1298 on Apr 2, 2017, 10:50:45 PM Quote this Post
I didn't find good uniques for this build. So what are good for level 50+ ? I think these 2 are fine before Doryani's Catalyst. http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/The_Searing_Touch http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Martyr_of_Innocence	Posted by Perdulkin#6400 on Apr 3, 2017, 1:15:35 AM Quote this Post
" Perdulkin wrote: I didn't find good uniques for this build. So what are good for level 50+ ? I think these 2 are fine before Doryani's Catalyst. http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/The_Searing_Touch http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Martyr_of_Innocence Searing Touch is OK in terms of DPS. But you lose a ton of ES by not using a shield. Martyr should be avoid coz it messes up the EE. Try to find some rare sceptors with "fire dmg" and "cast speed". Should be pretty cheap. Again, avoid "added fire dmg to spell" mod.	Posted by loonger#5545 on Apr 3, 2017, 7:06:58 AM Quote this Post
I probably simmes something on t15bosses then i'll try again. " Astrohawke wrote: Also it's not hard to hit 10k+ ES. Most of the ES gear I bought on poe.trade for <5c each. 150 ES gloves/boots, 300 ES helm etc. It's there if you have live searches up and snag deals instead of buying whatever's available at the time because all you find are 2 week old things no one wanted. c'mon... it's totally possible to hit 10k es with caped res but not that easy ^^ nice stuff tho!	Posted by GranTib#4959 on Apr 3, 2017, 9:44:21 AM Quote this Post
8k es now and maps r o.k. Max ress too..energy from within is 2.1 ex atm ^^ Build works nicely i guess now. Tho u gotta be careful as u dont rly have tanks. Decoy gets 1 shotted many times, leaving you like 1-2 seconds time to run :D	Posted by Zeros#1360 on Apr 3, 2017, 5:57:16 PM Quote this Post
I would really appreciate if someone help me. It's my 1st CI character, so i have a lot of questions. They might be answered hundreds of times here, or I just overlooked, but here we go. 1. About gem setup -FB 5-6 link it's clear -Orb of storm setup -Movement skill LW, clear for me. I don't like flame dash - IC+CWDT+ IncDur or golem - Disclipline+blasphemy+temp chains - What should be here? I think Vall discipline+IncDur + ? + ? 2. About ascendancy What's better: 2 golems or Mastermind of discord? 3. If im not using 2 golems - which is better flame or lightning? 4. Do i need Doedre's Damning? upd. I really didn't notice mobs can't have more then 1 curse. I have blasphemy+temp chains all the time. Looks like orb of storm doesn't proc. 5. What weapon is good before Doryani's? Rare sceptre or smth else? I'm still using Dark Seer sceptre at the moment. That's it. I also have questions about skill tree, but my lvl is quite low for transit to CI now. Thanks for answering in advance. Last edited by Perdulkin#6400 on Apr 4, 2017, 8:01:52 AM	Posted by Perdulkin#6400 on Apr 4, 2017, 5:46:32 AM Quote this Post
I have one noob question. How much ES should I have when I transition into CI?	Posted by Ashebenfor#5582 on Apr 4, 2017, 8:54:32 AM Quote this Post
Hey OP Love the build. It is oneshotting bosses as promised. I would say ive put about 100c into it total between all the gear and its working out well. My one issue is i have no idea how you were able to get to 81% cast speed shown in the stats. it would be great to have increased speed as it makes a noticeable difference in clear speed, and ability to pull 10 stack in a hurry vs bosses. I've done the calculation based on tree, ascendacy, your jewels, and that catalyst and only came up with 58-60% in cast speed. How the heck can you get to 81% or was that stats shot perhaps with faster cast speed on as a 6L? Tips would be appreciated. Thx again for build, loving it	Posted by leggojake23#7987 on Apr 4, 2017, 11:44:49 AM Quote this Post
Yo, I have not played PoE for like past 3 years or so, came back for legacy league to play some more. I chose SSF league, I am currently almost lvl 92 with golem up I have 84% cast speed, res capped and around 11k ES, got somewhat lucky 'cause I got Eye of Chayula, which is a BIG item for CI build. I have made few tweaks though. Running double golems linked to minion life and blind, because in 14+ maps they were constantly ripping. Actually managed to get decent-ish 6 link chest. And running spell totem with faster cast and scorching ray, seems like it comes in handy when you meet beefier enemies. Cannot afford to run tripple curse so I have omited Temporal chains. Running Immortal call and Molten shell on cast on damage taken. Only guardian I have taken down so far is Chimera, which I found to be rather easy, just takes few minutes to kill though. Dunno why some ppl say this build is not budget and is just manageable, since I as a relative newbie have cleared most of teh game's content in SSF with ease. You can literally clear any game mod, though Plaza Goddess with faster cast rate and temp chains is insta rip :D Only real mod you should reroll is 90% chance to avoid ignite mod, that makes your clearspeed uber slooooooooow. Anyway thx for the build it is fun so far. ***Took 30 runs to get scepter from Atziri.	Posted by Samyaza#1186 on Apr 4, 2017, 3:53:33 PM Quote this Post