Feedback and Suggestions - SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas] - Forum

" Jgizle wrote: " shaunus wrote: " 2000 ÷ 70000 is 2.8% but i am nice and say 3%. There are not 2k people who have said they dislike lab. Lab haters are a minority. This is all assuming the playerbase has not grown at which point that 3% is likely to grow closer to 1% (which is a more realistic figure than the 3% above). Actually you cannot claim that they are or aren't a majority. All we know is that they are a majority of the people that voted on that poll. You cannot pretend to know what the rest of the community thinks because simply put you haven't got any information to support your claim (or deny it for that matter). So stop pulling stuff out of your bum to try to argue this point. There are a lot of people that dislike the labyrinth and in particular dislike the attempt at moving hardcore mechanics into softcore. Wheres your evidence, at least i got concrete numbers. Your numbers are no more concrete than 20 + 20 = 40 therefore 40% of the player base dislikes labyrinth. nice troll though Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired! Last edited by Turtledove on Oct 8, 2016, 12:35:26 AM	Posted by Turtledove on Oct 8, 2016, 12:25:51 AM Quote this Post
" Jgizle wrote: " shaunus wrote: " 2000 ÷ 70000 is 2.8% but i am nice and say 3%. There are not 2k people who have said they dislike lab. Lab haters are a minority. This is all assuming the playerbase has not grown at which point that 3% is likely to grow closer to 1% (which is a more realistic figure than the 3% above). Actually you cannot claim that they are or aren't a majority. All we know is that they are a majority of the people that voted on that poll. You cannot pretend to know what the rest of the community thinks because simply put you haven't got any information to support your claim (or deny it for that matter). So stop pulling stuff out of your bum to try to argue this point. There are a lot of people that dislike the labyrinth and in particular dislike the attempt at moving hardcore mechanics into softcore. Wheres your evidence, at least i got concrete numbers. Jgizle claims to have presented concrete evidence that 97% of PoE players like the Labyrinth, or at least do not dislike it. It's approximately as compelling as the evidence Jgizle has put forth to support the fact that the Labyrinth presents the best gameplay in the game, certainly better than maps (although maps and lab are both "unfun"), Lab is the epitome of what it means to be an ARPG, and PoE is not an ARPG. (I guess it would be an ARPG if the Labyrinth were the entire game then?) You may not be a troll, mate, but you are an endless source of entertainment. 97%. Snort. Wash your hands, Exile!	Posted by gibbousmoon on Oct 8, 2016, 1:22:56 AM Quote this Post
My evidence is better than pulling an opinion out of thin air and saying a majority of players dislike lab based on nothing but your own opinion. Out of all the threads on players disliking lab only a handful of the actual posts are buy different people. It is really just a long drawn out thread of less than 100 people going back and forth. In the other thread a player even listed every single person who made a post for or against labs current design, and the list was short. So I highly doubt there is sufficient evidence that a "majority" dislike lab simply from knowing how large the playerbase is and how small the vocal minority is for players who dislike lab. The only subjective evidence you have is the assumption that most players dislike lab and most of those players dont care to vocalize their distaste for lab in its current state. If you dislike something would you just keep your mouth shut and go with the flow or would you say something. People complain about the smallest of things on these forums, surely something as big as lab would warrent a response from players if they disliked it. If i saw several thousand different people saying they disliked lab, and 10x more votes on the poll in favor of "Lab Sucks" then id say you were right. But that is not the case. As far as I am concerned less than 3% of players dislike lab because less than 3% is all that have said anything against it. Chroniccomplainerreviews.wordpress.com Your source for quality honest reviews to save you time and money!	Posted by Jgizle on Oct 8, 2016, 5:33:11 AM Quote this Post
" Jgizle wrote: stuff Even though I personally don't particularly like it, there are lots of good arguments for the lab. Yours aren't.	Posted by dyneol on Oct 8, 2016, 6:37:03 AM Quote this Post
This entire argument is pointless. Even if EXACTLY 50% liked and 50% disliked the Lab. The truth of the matter is, it's here, and it's here to stay. GGG is not going to flush months or maybe a year worth of development down the toilet. It's absolutely pointless to demand they remove the lab, or even change it. You can voice your dislike of it, but remember that nobody comes on forums to say "Hey good job GGG, love the lab!" just like that. The only opinions you find here are negative ones, generally. The few of us that do voice our positive opinions, like me, get stomped on by people who just came here to rant. I don't mind, but you're punching a brick wall, can't you see it? One of life's greatest lessons is learning to deal with change. And what a great obstacle it is to some people... Carry on my waypoint son, there'll be peace when maps are done. Lay your portal gem to rest, don't you die no more. 'Cause it's a bitter sweet symphony this league. Try to make maps meet, you're a slave to the meta, then you leave.	Posted by Xavathos on Oct 8, 2016, 6:52:46 AM Quote this Post
" Xavathos wrote: The truth of the matter is, it's here, and it's here to stay. GGG is not going to flush months or maybe a year worth of development down the toilet. It's absolutely pointless to demand they remove the lab, or even change it. More or less the tldr of the thread. Expecting GGG to go back and "rework" the Lab, while they are busy porting to DX11, developing next temp. league & creating Act 5, is ludicrous. Lab is a done deal. Learn it, complete it for Asc points and move on to stuff you like better in this game. Or not, you can play just fine without Asc points. When night falls She cloaks the world In impenetrable darkness	Posted by morbo on Oct 8, 2016, 7:58:16 AM Quote this Post
Truth of the matter is that none of you have the authority to make such statements. I'm a forum warrior, i was born to post, raised to defend my league. Now my post has been removed, chained and exiled by mods who Ban. Ban is my brother; i do not fear it. I see it in the eyes of men and beasts that i troll. It will take me to play the actual game when i am ready and i am not ready.	Posted by Pyrokar on Oct 8, 2016, 8:35:49 AM Quote this Post
Authority, ofc no :) Educated guess. But if you guys want to keep deluding yourself... When night falls She cloaks the world In impenetrable darkness	Posted by morbo on Oct 8, 2016, 8:48:44 AM Quote this Post
" Xavathos wrote: This entire argument is pointless. Even if EXACTLY 50% liked and 50% disliked the Lab. The truth of the matter is, it's here, and it's here to stay. GGG is not going to flush months or maybe a year worth of development down the toilet. It's absolutely pointless to demand they remove the lab, or even change it. You can voice your dislike of it, but remember that nobody comes on forums to say "Hey good job GGG, love the lab!" just like that. The only opinions you find here are negative ones, generally. The few of us that do voice our positive opinions, like me, get stomped on by people who just came here to rant. I don't mind, but you're punching a brick wall, can't you see it? One of life's greatest lessons is learning to deal with change. And what a great obstacle it is to some people... But with a very few exceptions (that we dont agree with) we are ok with lab staying in game. We even suggest making it even more enjoyable to run. But why should ascendancies be locked behind it? This thread serves to provide alternatives, in order for the lab to be truly optional content and not forced like it is now. Or at least put an different option for it to resemble normal poe and not this mario clone. KEEP THE LAB IN GAME, SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS. Get it? Also without fight or complaints game aint getting better, its getting stale. Thank people around the forums who have the brains, initiative and decency to critisize GGG and their desicions cause those actions are what keep the developers trying for better content. And thats why every single one shitposting or being hateful against the cause shows how narrow minded he is, because except one single suggestion (thats the easiest to implement though) every single other not only keeps lab the same but makes it better even for players that like it as currently is. There is always room for improvement and in the lab's cause there are whole houses. Do you like lockstep sir? Guess what, if forums werent full of people shittalking about desync there we would still be stuck with it. Do you like permanent allocation sir? Guess what, if forums werent full of complaints on how free for all killed their desire to play in parties, free-for-all would still be the only option. Do you like using premium tabs for easier trading sir or poe.trade (3rd party program but makes the point)? Guess what, if forums werent full of players asking for trade improvements, we would still be using only trade chat to get items spending hours and hours brownsing. Do you like the new Atlas functionallity? The search box, the highlight etc? Guess what if people didnt ask for them, complain about them and cry out for improvements you would have shit. So yes be thankful that we (people that give constructive feedback and suggestions) like the game enough to want to see it progress and make the right desicions, desicions that DO NOT AFFECT IN ANY NEGATIVE WAY THE REST OF THE PLAYERS. Get it? Especially the rest who made it their life goal to only shitpost in this specific thread like they have anything to add, only to antagonize the rest in a daily basis. Yes you know who you are people, beat it. You cant answer that Spoiler How any addition/change/rework in the ascencion method - while keeping it as an option also in the labyrinth - will have any negative effect in anyone's gameplay/personal experience? you cant provide feedback here. So please get the fuck out of here and let us continue trying to improve the game, nobody forces you being here, nobody forces you to click on the thread, simply ignore it and let it serve its purpose which after 7 months you still cant figure out for fucks shake. And unless you have some new idea or alternative for the opening post please fellow comrades do not bumb it for bumb's shake. Dont give no reason to fools to bash a noble cause. Thank you and appreciated your help, but we aint gonna magically force a change by keeping a thread alive if GGG cant/wont/dont want to improve this aspect of the game or listen to reasoning. They are aware of some issues, they have made promises in the past, they have even said they will adress the questions at least we players have, we cant do anything more but wait till they man up and at least give some info and answers (that moment may never come considering their cowardish and/or ignoring attitude). Please dont feed the trolls (PoE IS NOT an ARPG!) no more, its getting beyond sad to see a handful of fartheads shitposting everyday just to derail the thread or kill the purpose (they cant anyway). So please follow GGG's tactic/policy and ignore those antagonizing trolls dont respond to doomsayers and bullies. Thank you. Inundated with cockroaches, I am https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1609216 - labyrinth rework ideas/suggestions	Posted by Regulator on Oct 8, 2016, 11:01:35 AM Alpha Member Quote this Post
" Regulator wrote: " Xavathos wrote: This entire argument is pointless. Even if EXACTLY 50% liked and 50% disliked the Lab. The truth of the matter is, it's here, and it's here to stay. GGG is not going to flush months or maybe a year worth of development down the toilet. It's absolutely pointless to demand they remove the lab, or even change it. You can voice your dislike of it, but remember that nobody comes on forums to say "Hey good job GGG, love the lab!" just like that. The only opinions you find here are negative ones, generally. The few of us that do voice our positive opinions, like me, get stomped on by people who just came here to rant. I don't mind, but you're punching a brick wall, can't you see it? One of life's greatest lessons is learning to deal with change. And what a great obstacle it is to some people... But with a very few exceptions (that we dont agree with) we are ok with lab staying in game. We even suggest making it even more enjoyable to run. But why should ascendancies be locked behind it? This thread serves to provide alternatives, in order for the lab to be truly optional content and not forced like it is now. Or at least put an different option for it to resemble normal poe and not this mario clone. KEEP THE LAB IN GAME, SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS. Get it? Also without fight or complaints game aint getting better, its getting stale. Thank people around the forums who have the brains, initiative and decency to critisize GGG and their desicions cause those actions are what keep the developers trying for better content. And thats why every single one shitposting or being hateful against the cause shows how narrow minded he is, because except one single suggestion (thats the easiest to implement though) every single other not only keeps lab the same but makes it better even for players that like it as currently is. There is always room for improvement and in the lab's cause there are whole houses. Do you like lockstep sir? Guess what, if forums werent full of people shittalking about desync there we would still be stuck with it. Do you like permanent allocation sir? Guess what, if forums werent full of complaints on how free for all killed their desire to play in parties, free-for-all would still be the only option. Do you like using premium tabs for easier trading sir or poe.trade (3rd party program but makes the point)? Guess what, if forums werent full of players asking for trade improvements, we would still be using only trade chat to get items spending hours and hours brownsing. Do you like the new Atlas functionallity? The search box, the highlight etc? Guess what if people didnt ask for them, complain about them and cry out for improvements you would have shit. So yes be thankful that we (people that give constructive feedback and suggestions) like the game enough to want to see it progress and make the right desicions, desicions that DO NOT AFFECT IN ANY NEGATIVE WAY THE REST OF THE PLAYERS. Get it? Especially the rest who made it their life goal to only shitpost in this specific thread like they have anything to add, only to antagonize the rest in a daily basis. Yes you know who you are people, beat it. You cant answer that Spoiler How any addition/change/rework in the ascencion method - while keeping it as an option also in the labyrinth - will have any negative effect in anyone's gameplay/personal experience? you cant provide feedback here. So please get the fuck out of here and let us continue trying to improve the game, nobody forces you being here, nobody forces you to click on the thread, simply ignore it and let it serve its purpose which after 7 months you still cant figure out for fucks shake. And unless you have some new idea or alternative for the opening post please fellow comrades do not bumb it for bumb's shake. Dont give no reason to fools to bash a noble cause. Thank you and appreciated your help, but we aint gonna magically force a change by keeping a thread alive if GGG cant/wont/dont want to improve this aspect of the game or listen to reasoning. They are aware of some issues, they have made promises in the past, they have even said they will adress the questions at least we players have, we cant do anything more but wait till they man up and at least give some info and answers (that moment may never come considering their cowardish and/or ignoring attitude). Please dont feed the trolls (PoE IS NOT an ARPG!) no more, its getting beyond sad to see a handful of fartheads shitposting everyday just to derail the thread or kill the purpose (they cant anyway). So please follow GGG's tactic/policy and ignore those antagonizing trolls dont respond to doomsayers and bullies. Thank you. Hypocrite much? How many non-lab threads do you crusaders go into and try to turn into lab discussions.	Posted by Xtorma on Oct 8, 2016, 11:11:12 AM Quote this Post