Poison Summoner 2.1 Talisman HC

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

well the thing with revenants is you need a specific item to use them.

you need this:

this staff basically gives them their 4 lost projectiles back without making them fire in a nova.

as I think i said in another thread. 1 hand options for summoners suck. midnight especially because of the life reservation. The best summoner weapons in the game are properly rolled 2 handers.

I would suggest tolerating echo on spectres. yes its a pain in the ass, but you can always slot echo into desecrate while summoning spectres so that you have twice as many corpse piles to work with anyway.

The reason why revenents are better is because their ai enables them to shoot from off screen. horrors need to be near point blank with a target and rely on collateral damage (basically hitting packs behind the pack you are working on) to work well. they arent terrible. just well .. ok..

if you want real clear speed , a sire of shards rev with chain is very hard to beat as a summoner.

a corrupted level 3 empower can sell for 30 yes.

as for vitality and minion rests. use vitality only if you dont use hatred because this implies your base auras are poe and discipline. it doesnt take much more in terms of passives to get another 35% in which could be vitality. vitality on its own is a total joke.

But there are builds that can make it work. specifically ones that use :

because you get 2.5% from the tree . 2 -2.5% from this staff and around 2.5% from vitality if you generosity it.

between those three sources and consecrate from a lucky guardian block.. you can see your minions regenerating over 1000 hp per second.

but again.. use only if you dont use hatred. i cannot stress that part enough.


the only good source of resistances is from purity of elements . minion resist on jewels are too low to be impactful. either you are capped. or you are not and the differences between the two are massive. so jewels giving a pittiful 7 - 8% here and there is insulting. you would need 5 or 6 of them to get the job done just get some aura effect and roll a poe which can give 40% all res if you are speced right.

we are at a point in the game where you can make minions durable enough to survive basically everything but uber reliably. so dont feel to pressured into leaving enough mana to resummon zombies on the fly. frankly if you are losing minions at a rate where you seriously need to replace them mid fight... you are in over your head.

I can link my gear if you wan some context for my build composition

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

ascendency has me annoyed because scion has been the best base for summoners for a good while.
(mostly because the witch exits are too rigid... either es which is ok, mana .. which you wont need or spell damage which you dont need either).

scion not having any ascendancy options related to summoners would be soul crushing since i have 3 scion based summoners.

as for the witch ascendancy. i think we need to keep in mind that we are reaching 300+% minion damage as is. so 100% increased damage is not nearly as impactful as one might initially think it is.

its basically a boost of 20ish%, the life is probably the more important bit . but even that might be slightly miss-leading. There are only 3 real reasons why spectres die in the current game

1 the summoner doesn't actually do all it can to keep them alive. usually a combination of not investing in minion life and not capping resists
2 the spectre base is just too low a level
3 the summoner fights a boss that does so much damage that nothing survives it.

you can solve problem one by investing in life and a purity of elements aura
the low level one is the main annoyance
and number 3 so something ggg needs to look at.


Now the only reason why i keep suggesting on trying a build that focuses on the zombies not dying instead of one that re summons them is because it solves several qol issue all in one go.

The core idea is if your zombies dont die , most of time ... none of your minions will. they are your base line in terms of durability. so that means you dont need to recast dead specters either which means you dont need to rely on the tanky spectres to have a minion that stays alive for you.

it also means you dont waste time re-summoning and instead can focus on other things. mechanically it makes playing the summoner easier. if your minions dont die.. then you dont need skill slots dedicated to them. and indeed i dont actually have spectres or my guardian on my active slots. (zombies are there only because i had space).

even in i level 80 maps . they dont die. and it plays great.


im probably going to skip the temp leagues for ascendancy so i guess i can sand box a few things in standard.

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Honebuto wrote:

Nice Build. So, can this build kill Merci Malachai?

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Alchimistul wrote:

Can this build clear Atziri?

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

if you are playing softcore this build type can kill malachai when you are level 70

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Nisseonbeer wrote:

i saw ur canyon vidio.

played the game sicne open beta, never made a minion build, so i was considering it.
but the clear speed seems slow compared to bow builds like LA chain or melee reave etc or is it just me?