[2.4 essence league] Poison Vortex (Blade Vortex)

I haven't leveled my shadow high enough to check, but I think increased duration would be more effective then faster casting. With Spell Echo, plus faster casting from tree and whatever you have from gear, faster casting can't be lowering your cast speed by much, which increased duration would add an extra 3 seconds to your BV duration, and might also affect poison.

(Nevermind, reading comprehension ftw ;) )

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vysirez wrote:

I haven't leveled my shadow high enough to check, but I think increased duration would be more effective then faster casting. With Spell Echo, plus faster casting from tree and whatever you have from gear, faster casting can't be lowering your cast speed by much, which increased duration would add an extra 3 seconds to your BV duration, and might also affect poison.

increased duration vs faster casting is more of a playstyle choice. Duration gem lets you cast less to keep up the clear speed where as faster casting lets you get up to speed faster.

If you find yourself taking your time looting between packs then faster casting is probably better, whereas if you are trying to clear as fast as possible while whirling around duration is probably better.

what about bandits? And which jewel we need use at start and which than?

And what about optymal flasks?

BTW ty for a build. I am a lvl 50 with ur build in Garena servers (HC talismans league).

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Kadomir wrote:

So what about add least important and most important stats to add? I mean, like: We need more spell DMG or phys dmg? Hp or armor?

If u add it would be rly great

I have a stat priority blurb on the main post.

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Kadomir wrote:

what about bandits? And which jewel we need use at start and which than?

And what about optymal flasks?

BTW ty for a build. I am a lvl 50 with ur build in Garena servers (HC talismans league).

bandits are up on the OP

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vysirez wrote:

I haven't leveled my shadow high enough to check, but I think increased duration would be more effective then faster casting. With Spell Echo, plus faster casting from tree and whatever you have from gear, faster casting can't be lowering your cast speed by much, which increased duration would add an extra 3 seconds to your BV duration, and might also affect poison.

Youre right in some ways. I dislike the increased duration because with out faster casting you actually still cant sustain a high amount of blades as you move from pack to pack. You have to remember that you cast speed directly effects how many blades you can have active at a moment and the longer it takes you to get to the optimal amount of blades the less time you can be inside of packs killing them. So if anything faster casting and duration are both needed if you want the playstyle you are trying to achieve. Im considering duration for a 5th or 6th link because of this.

Running some simple math, with out Faster casting it takes you 2.5 extra secs to achieve 50 blades which means that 3 secs extra you get from inc duration is more like .5 secs.

In video u usyng bloodrage. do we need this gem in your build? Don't see it in ur gem setup 1 post

And how i can fix mana problem in lvl 50 with Blasphemy -> warlords mark + hatred?

Hmm, what about a tree that's more like this?


I think heading down to IR is a waste. Phase Acro will protect you better from reflect (throw in Atziri's Step for even more protection). I also dropped Exceptional Performance to save 8 points.

Do you need Poison (gem) if you have Fatal Toxins on the tree?

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Tempada wrote:

Hmm, what about a tree that's more like this?

Spoiler

https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAwYAA-4EBwSzBbUGcAceCPQOSBEtES8RlhXtFr8W8xvIHNwdvh_HIvQj9iY8JpUo-isKK3gsnC2LL50wcTB8MtEzhzY9N9Q6QjpYPAU9X0GHRUdFnUlRSbFLeEyzTZJOn1FHUlNTUlS9VUtVxlxAXfJh4mKsaPJqQ2qMbAtsjG0Zdf16f3yDf8aCx4PbhG-NfY2_jxqP-pMnlS6Wi5eVl_Sa4J2qoS-iAKLZsNi0xbVItz64k76KwFTAZsLsyBTP3dAf1CPUQtW518_Yvd2o62Pr7u0_73zviO_r8B_w1fGK9W_5N_no_go=

I think heading down to IR is a waste. Phase Acro will protect you better from reflect (throw in Atziri's Step for even more protection). I also dropped Exceptional Performance to save 8 points.

Do you need Poison (gem) if you have Fatal Toxins on the tree?

Its a workable tree but you are not getting the inc duration from the bottom of scion (which would lower the amount of blades you can have) and not near Master of force for the extra damage later.

I chose IR because i didn't want to play Acro with the new physical effects and skills (also didnt want to go EB/ZO/MOM because i did it with my last toon). I'm actually finding (at lvl 80 now that I've actually picked up IR) that the armor increase is enough to mitigate a large amount of damage with fortify including phys reflect. (all that being said, ill probably add a acro tree later because its the same amount of points to get acro as it is to get IR with my tree)

As far as fatal toxins are concerned. With the poison support you are guaranteed to put a stack of poison on a mob with each hit, With fatal toxins you only get a 10% chance to do so so you cant stack the poison indefinitely. because of how fast blade vortex hits the targets you would probably get a few poison stacks but i dont think you would be able to see the infinite stacks that you can get with the support gem (not to mention that the 125% inc poison damage on the gem is more than worth it). Your tree would definitely work for a build but it would be slightly different to what I'm trying to achieve here (infinite poison stacks etc).