Shadow - [2.4 Trickster] Grocery's Caustic Arrow Trickster Shadow! HC Viable! - Forum

" Grocery wrote: I trust Chris when he says the decrease will be made up with the new supports. It would seem odd to state it as such if it was such a huge dps loss. He could be wrong though ofc. i rly hope so but it will be rly interesting in HOW powerfull the new supports must be when they have to replace our actual supports PLUS making up with the dmg loss. just sounds insane for me ^^ Last edited by Nyurael#4248 on Dec 9, 2015, 7:47:56 AM	Posted by Nyurael#4248 on Dec 9, 2015, 7:47:22 AM Quote this Post
" Grocery wrote: Helmet added. I am not planning as running as MF anyways, so it is fine for me. I ran MF in 2.0 as I had most of the gear already Serleth had a great guide. I am actually running very few MF items outside rings and IIQ gem, so I hope it was known I wasn't trying to make this an MF build. I will update gear once 2.1 hits. Should be a standardish Caustic build. I trust Chris when he says the decrease will be made up with the new supports. It would seem odd to state it as such if it was such a huge dps loss. He could be wrong though ofc. I really doubt anything is going to make up for that big of a nerf. Anyone without a 6-link is basically screwed and just gets the damage decrease and nothing else and you are forced to replace the IIR gem. I'm going to give the skill a shot since I need gems from the ranger if I do another build anyway, but I'm not expecting much.	Posted by Melzas#3995 on Dec 9, 2015, 9:14:39 AM Quote this Post
If you don't plan on using pierce or a drill neck would getting Piercing Shots still be worth it? Maybe instead a tree something like this? Go straight down from Shadow into Ranger. Spoiler http://exiletools.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAwYAAF4DHgUtBx4ILg2NDkgPqxEvEZYTbRQJFHUWvxjbGYoZjh9BIuoj9iSLJogmlSsKLiMuUzBxMHwyATY9N9Q6Qj7PQzFHfkkTSVFKfUt4TP9Nkk4qUUdVS1WFWhpbr1xAXfJh4mHrYqxlTWegaoxsjG5pdO11nnXLdoJ6U3rvfXWHdofLieCNfY1-jb-P-pMfk5mVLpcGmyabjZ2qotmjiqXLp5uw2LIZtNG1SLcwt7a7nrvjvTa95r6nwzPDOsSiyAzIFMu9zxXPetNv037UI9X42sHdqOOf5ljmgejW6mLrY-0_7YPuDu968NX1b_zF_ro= Last edited by Vajtastic#7218 on Dec 9, 2015, 3:13:53 PM	Posted by Vajtastic#7218 on Dec 9, 2015, 3:05:28 PM Quote this Post
" Vajtastic wrote: If you don't plan on using pierce or a drill neck would getting Piercing Shots still be worth it? Maybe instead a tree something like this? Go straight down from Shadow into Ranger. Spoiler http://exiletools.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAwYAAF4DHgUtBx4ILg2NDkgPqxEvEZYTbRQJFHUWvxjbGYoZjh9BIuoj9iSLJogmlSsKLiMuUzBxMHwyATY9N9Q6Qj7PQzFHfkkTSVFKfUt4TP9Nkk4qUUdVS1WFWhpbr1xAXfJh4mHrYqxlTWegaoxsjG5pdO11nnXLdoJ6U3rvfXWHdofLieCNfY1-jb-P-pMfk5mVLpcGmyabjZ2qotmjiqXLp5uw2LIZtNG1SLcwt7a7nrvjvTa95r6nwzPDOsSiyAzIFMu9zxXPetNv037UI9X42sHdqOOf5ljmgejW6mLrY-0_7YPuDu968NX1b_zF_ro= Interesting question. Pierce is nice for utility, but I think it would be worth it to keep the 6L setup without pierce if you have no dneck. For my current builds, thoughts and videos. youtube.com/andypistone www.twitch.tv/GrocerySC	Posted by Grocery#5050 on Dec 9, 2015, 3:29:13 PM Quote this Post
" Melzas wrote: " Grocery wrote: Helmet added. I am not planning as running as MF anyways, so it is fine for me. I ran MF in 2.0 as I had most of the gear already Serleth had a great guide. I am actually running very few MF items outside rings and IIQ gem, so I hope it was known I wasn't trying to make this an MF build. I will update gear once 2.1 hits. Should be a standardish Caustic build. I trust Chris when he says the decrease will be made up with the new supports. It would seem odd to state it as such if it was such a huge dps loss. He could be wrong though ofc. I really doubt anything is going to make up for that big of a nerf. Anyone without a 6-link is basically screwed and just gets the damage decrease and nothing else and you are forced to replace the IIR gem. I'm going to give the skill a shot since I need gems from the ranger if I do another build anyway, but I'm not expecting much. I don't plan on using IIR/IIQ gems with this build so it is okay for me. If you are looking for an MF build, then this is not it as I believe Serleth's is better in that regard. I am hopeful in Caustic Arrow, but it might be gutted. Will have to play test Friday. For my current builds, thoughts and videos. youtube.com/andypistone www.twitch.tv/GrocerySC	Posted by Grocery#5050 on Dec 9, 2015, 3:30:46 PM Quote this Post
" Grocery wrote: " Vajtastic wrote: If you don't plan on using pierce or a drill neck would getting Piercing Shots still be worth it? Maybe instead a tree something like this? Go straight down from Shadow into Ranger. Spoiler http://exiletools.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAwYAAF4DHgUtBx4ILg2NDkgPqxEvEZYTbRQJFHUWvxjbGYoZjh9BIuoj9iSLJogmlSsKLiMuUzBxMHwyATY9N9Q6Qj7PQzFHfkkTSVFKfUt4TP9Nkk4qUUdVS1WFWhpbr1xAXfJh4mHrYqxlTWegaoxsjG5pdO11nnXLdoJ6U3rvfXWHdofLieCNfY1-jb-P-pMfk5mVLpcGmyabjZ2qotmjiqXLp5uw2LIZtNG1SLcwt7a7nrvjvTa95r6nwzPDOsSiyAzIFMu9zxXPetNv037UI9X42sHdqOOf5ljmgejW6mLrY-0_7YPuDu968NX1b_zF_ro= Interesting question. Pierce is nice for utility, but I think it would be worth it to keep the 6L setup without pierce if you have no dneck. I agree with your statement there so do you think changing your tree to skip out on Piercing Shots would be a good idea and instead pick up Ballistic Mastery? Using that road there to connect? Last edited by Vajtastic#7218 on Dec 9, 2015, 4:51:37 PM	Posted by Vajtastic#7218 on Dec 9, 2015, 4:50:43 PM Quote this Post
Hi, never played a PA char before, but this build looks great :) A question (as a theory nubby): Will there be a difference in damage scaling regarding the Chaos dam and the DoT nodes or will it be the same scaling considering the mechanic of Poison/Caustic Arrow? thx "better to simply go balls deep full retard if you gonna go retard." -Boem-	Posted by Hunwulf#1449 on Dec 9, 2015, 5:35:55 PM Quote this Post
" Vajtastic wrote: " Grocery wrote: " Vajtastic wrote: If you don't plan on using pierce or a drill neck would getting Piercing Shots still be worth it? Maybe instead a tree something like this? Go straight down from Shadow into Ranger. Spoiler http://exiletools.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAwYAAF4DHgUtBx4ILg2NDkgPqxEvEZYTbRQJFHUWvxjbGYoZjh9BIuoj9iSLJogmlSsKLiMuUzBxMHwyATY9N9Q6Qj7PQzFHfkkTSVFKfUt4TP9Nkk4qUUdVS1WFWhpbr1xAXfJh4mHrYqxlTWegaoxsjG5pdO11nnXLdoJ6U3rvfXWHdofLieCNfY1-jb-P-pMfk5mVLpcGmyabjZ2qotmjiqXLp5uw2LIZtNG1SLcwt7a7nrvjvTa95r6nwzPDOsSiyAzIFMu9zxXPetNv037UI9X42sHdqOOf5ljmgejW6mLrY-0_7YPuDu968NX1b_zF_ro= Interesting question. Pierce is nice for utility, but I think it would be worth it to keep the 6L setup without pierce if you have no dneck. I agree with your statement there so do you think changing your tree to skip out on Piercing Shots would be a good idea and instead pick up Ballistic Mastery? Using that road there to connect? It honestly depends. Pierce is really nice but there is a point where something else takes over right? I think it will be viable without the pierce nodes, you could pick up ballistic madstery and potentially another jewel slot if you drop 1 additional point (or drop nullification). There will be a few minor variations to take depending on what gear and how OP the jewels you have are. Not great jewels? Probably go pierce or ballistic mastery+proj damage. For my current builds, thoughts and videos. youtube.com/andypistone www.twitch.tv/GrocerySC	Posted by Grocery#5050 on Dec 9, 2015, 5:59:27 PM Quote this Post
increased chaos damage nodes will increase the initial hit and the cloud. DoT nodes will only increase cloud damage. That being said, all that really matters is the cloud damage since the initial hit is so tiny. For my current builds, thoughts and videos. youtube.com/andypistone www.twitch.tv/GrocerySC	Posted by Grocery#5050 on Dec 9, 2015, 6:00:23 PM Quote this Post
" Grocery wrote: increased chaos damage nodes will increase the initial hit and the cloud. DoT nodes will only increase cloud damage. That being said, all that really matters is the cloud damage since the initial hit is so tiny. Ok, so its more or less equal what to scale for this skill, only numbers count. ty "better to simply go balls deep full retard if you gonna go retard." -Boem-	Posted by Hunwulf#1449 on Dec 9, 2015, 9:08:38 PM Quote this Post