[2.4 Trickster] Grocery's Caustic Arrow Trickster Shadow! HC Viable!

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Nyurael wrote:

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Poison Arrow has been renamed to Caustic Arrow as part of the poison changes. The damage of this skill has been increased by around 37% at level 1, but reduced by around 42% by level 20. This reduction is more than compensated for by supporting the skill with the new supports. Caustic Arrow's mana costs have been increased, from 5 to 8 at level one, and from 13 to 16 at level 20.
Power Sip

Here are the information about the nerf

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SzejkM8 wrote:

The way you are avoiding Nullification is just a waste of points. Right, you need to spend 3 points instead of two, but Nullification gives you 5% maximum life that you can drop from somewhere else. Other stats are just bonuses. Coldhearted Calculation gives mana regen, we need this stuff now with Causting Arrow's increased mana cost.

It's my new version of the build (built as a ranger, but can go with Shadow aswell). Still thinking about lack of jewels slots (just two). But on new league, we don't want to spend currency on jewels but better gear. Drillneck's going to be expensive. Over 400% increased damage from the tree I did and still providing 186% increased maximum life & 147% increased evasion sounds very nice. Did i mentioned all frenzy charges are taken? You can sacrifice phase acrobatics for 4% more life and and one more jewel slot. I am proud of this tree :D

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https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAwIAm42v6wgu7YMZjgBe037ven117g7-uqOK_MUj9g2NTZKNfVuvh3YwfBR1Tirjn1FHGNtM_0p9Ps831I2_LiNDMb3m7T8FtdQjk5nawY1-wuzo1jBxu5507S5Tt7a0xSpbmybdqAUt0291y2Ksgl4yAUt4eu_qYr6nbIxS7LIZOkJuaWVNnarPetX4vTY2PWHrR35VhetjelOly7VIES8DHnaCKwofQcgMXfK00Q5IFr8Rlrcw5oEmlQceFAnLvWHilS4TbVVL8NUmiI_6SVFcQIfLp5t1ns8Vaoz1b8gUotmw2MMzWho=


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SzejkM8 wrote:

I'm still not sure how Void Manipulation is going to look at lvl20+. Calculations must be done if it's more profitable to take projectile damage and pierce + slower projectiles gems or chaos damage and Void Manipulation gem.

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Grocery wrote:

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Nyurael wrote:

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Poison Arrow has been renamed to Caustic Arrow as part of the poison changes. The damage of this skill has been increased by around 37% at level 1, but reduced by around 42% by level 20. This reduction is more than compensated for by supporting the skill with the new supports. Caustic Arrow's mana costs have been increased, from 5 to 8 at level one, and from 13 to 16 at level 20.
Power Sip

Here are the information about the nerf

Looks positive :)

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SzejkM8 wrote:

But they are not multipliers for the whole skill but restricted damage type, projectile, chaos and dot's. Strong, but stil... We'll see.

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Serleth wrote:

Okay, so this is an extremely rough estimate with quick math but

2.0 tooltip: about 29k damage (with 7 frenzy, golem)
2.0 actual damage: roughly 48k

2.1 tooltip: about 18.5-19k damage (with frenzy & golem)
2.1 actual: about 30-31k

Assuming void manipulation scales identically like slower proj with 10% increased damage on quality and 29% MORE damage on base at level 20

2.1 actual (swapping AoE gem for Void Manipulation): ~ 34-36k dps

So even with the gem change and getting rid of AoE, we stand to lose about 14k dps in a finished build.

KEEP IN MIND, this is completely guess-work and unknowable until the patch actually goes live.

The long and the short of it is that this build will be fine for regular mapping and even 78-80 maps, and regular Atziri, but it's probably dead for Uber Atziri and 81+ maps.

Who knows. Those are my preliminary thoughts anyway. Regardless, I'm confident in this build still being strong for MFing and mid to low-high tier maps. Regardless, I will continue to investigate this and other options.

REGULAR Poison Arrow, however, will be completely fine. So for those of you looking to run PA in a non-MF spec, you're good to go, because you will also get the advantage of being able to run Rapid Decay as your 6L, and just dropping the AoE gem.

Because we want to run IIR though, the only way to do is successfully and keep the damage comparable in the MF setup is to sacrifice a shitload on gear, including replacing the rare gloves with Aurseize, to get back up to 300% IIR before the IIR gem, but then the whole point of the build (aka, survivable, good damage, good MF combination) becomes pointless, since you'll always be at like... max, 4k life.

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Nyurael wrote:

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SzejkM8 wrote:

But they are not multipliers for the whole skill but restricted damage type, projectile, chaos and dot's. Strong, but stil... We'll see.

Yea thats my thoughts too.
I'm rly not sure if we can compensate this.

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Serleth wrote:

Okay, so this is an extremely rough estimate with quick math but

2.0 tooltip: about 29k damage (with 7 frenzy, golem)
2.0 actual damage: roughly 48k

2.1 tooltip: about 18.5-19k damage (with frenzy & golem)
2.1 actual: about 30-31k

Assuming void manipulation scales identically like slower proj with 10% increased damage on quality and 29% MORE damage on base at level 20

2.1 actual (swapping AoE gem for Void Manipulation): ~ 34-36k dps

So even with the gem change and getting rid of AoE, we stand to lose about 14k dps in a finished build.

KEEP IN MIND, this is completely guess-work and unknowable until the patch actually goes live.

The long and the short of it is that this build will be fine for regular mapping and even 78-80 maps, and regular Atziri, but it's probably dead for Uber Atziri and 81+ maps.

Who knows. Those are my preliminary thoughts anyway. Regardless, I'm confident in this build still being strong for MFing and mid to low-high tier maps. Regardless, I will continue to investigate this and other options.

REGULAR Poison Arrow, however, will be completely fine. So for those of you looking to run PA in a non-MF spec, you're good to go, because you will also get the advantage of being able to run Rapid Decay as your 6L, and just dropping the AoE gem.

Because we want to run IIR though, the only way to do is successfully and keep the damage comparable in the MF setup is to sacrifice a shitload on gear, including replacing the rare gloves with Aurseize, to get back up to 300% IIR before the IIR gem, but then the whole point of the build (aka, survivable, good damage, good MF combination) becomes pointless, since you'll always be at like... max, 4k life.

@ Grocery
in your current gear -> ur helmet is missing xD