[2.4 Trickster] Grocery's Caustic Arrow Trickster Shadow! HC Viable!

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typicalbrony wrote:

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muir wrote:

Cmon people... picking up IR and not going through Cloth and Chain is just insanity!

At the time I had 6.6k life, so dropping damage nodes + jewel didn't seem worth it. Now that I have a 6L bow, I can drop some damage and pick up more suitability. Thank you for the recommendation, I have switched and now have 7k life!

One thing though, I think you should take a look at Survivalist right under the HP/EVA wheel you mentioned, I think it's much more stronger than Cloth and Chain simply because you gain 1% max cold, along with the exact same stats.

Give it a look! :^)

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nowai27 wrote:

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typicalbrony wrote:

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muir wrote:

Cmon people... picking up IR and not going through Cloth and Chain is just insanity!

At the time I had 6.6k life, so dropping damage nodes + jewel didn't seem worth it. Now that I have a 6L bow, I can drop some damage and pick up more suitability. Thank you for the recommendation, I have switched and now have 7k life!

One thing though, I think you should take a look at Survivalist right under the HP/EVA wheel you mentioned, I think it's much more stronger than Cloth and Chain simply because you gain 1% max cold, along with the exact same stats.

Give it a look! :^)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Cloth and Chain gives us BOTH eva and armor, so 24% eva and 24% armor means 48% armor (in full eva set) since we have the iron reflexes

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muir wrote:

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typicalbrony wrote:

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nowai27 wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Cloth and Chain gives us BOTH eva and armor, so 24% eva and 24% armor means 48% armor (in full eva set) since we have the iron reflexes

You are correct, but as you approach 50%, there are diminishing returns with armour / eva stacking.

Hmm I have to disagree. It's not helpful to look at the % mitigation figure on the char stats tab, this is a representative figure for a representative amount of dmg. That amount of damage is a relatively low amount vs what I'd just describe as scary shit, and doesn't take into account monster buffs like auras, rare properties, map mods etc which is what makes scary shit scary.

I just like to look at the final armour number. I feel comfortable running around in high/hard maps with 20k armour before flasks. I feel comfortable punching a flask and hitting 40k or more.

Lastly, yes Cloth and Chain provides the full numerical benefit for IR to base eva (grace + all your gear basically) of 48% which is ASTRONOMICAL for 3 points which are essentially pathing nodes. It's a net 1 point expenditure to path this way when picking up IR so it is an unbelievably good option and the extra resists are sweet sweet gravy.

In other news I picked up a new toy this morning. Woooooooooooohoooooooooooo

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muir wrote:

I've been playing around with some HC alternatives which are a little unconventional; IR + Acro.

This feels extremely solid, as painful as 50% less armour might be, once you realize how much armour you can actually get thanks to IR + right tree eva/arm nodes the trade off starts to make a lot of sense.

Tree (note; I don't even bother generating frenzies when mfing.)

For general mapping I've been switching to the following (ignore sockets):

Believe it or not, the additional dodge and armour from Hyrri's is better than a lightning coil in all circumstances per calculations from this site. This produces the following stats (jade always up, shown here):



If there's any doubt, I do have a coil and would use it if I felt it was better.

MF setup for low tier maps is:

Producing (no flasks up):