[2.2] I Cast Magic Missile! - Cantrip's guide to Ethereal Knives / Bladefall. 7K Life, 100K+ DPS!

how you gain frenzy charges if you dont use blood dance?
edit: nvm dint see they changed blood rage.

"losing" 4% life regen is quite alot tho.
Last edited by Nisseonbeer#5663 on Jan 1, 2016, 4:52:06 PM
Blood Rage is fine once you get used to it. Getting the standard life/trires boots lets you get cast speed on rings (spell damage too on ammy) or even a Ming's Heart if you feel you have too much hp. On an unlimited budget I'd probably use Blood Dance though, if only to save up on a gem slot.
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WinterSphinx wrote:
Blood Rage is fine once you get used to it. Getting the standard life/trires boots lets you get cast speed on rings (spell damage too on ammy) or even a Ming's Heart if you feel you have too much hp. On an unlimited budget I'd probably use Blood Dance though, if only to save up on a gem slot.


It depends on the gearing. Since I'm going for a Hyrri's, I feel the 16% Spell Dodge from the boots is a big deal, and losing all that Cast Speed / Attack Speed (for WB) is a HUGE deal.
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IlyaK1986 wrote:
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Nurbel wrote:
blabla x)



Here's my tree. Problem being? I'm level 86. I don't have a lot more room to get those remaining jewel slots.

https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAwAABLMFtQhnFm8Wvxg8GFYZiho4GmwajRqPHNwi6iP2JKomlScvKPopTy2oMHEwfDGeMtE1kjY9Nuk6QjrYPs9Bh0VHRZ1LV0t4TZJN41FHU1JVS1WFWyZfsGHiYlpirGjybIxtbG-edf18S3_7gseDCYRvhMWNfY2_jxqQVZM6lnSXBprgm7WdqqIApcumV7GQtQS1SLc-t9a4k7vjvSe95r6AwGbA48M6xKLKStQj1ELVpti921ndqN-Y42rkIud06Nbr7uw48B_xs_ba-ej7Cf4K_o_-ug==?accountName=IlyaK1986&characterName=EtherealDance

My tooltip is currently 25k ish pre-frenzy (this is with flame golem and hatred aura going).

My 5L is EK + faster casting + echo + added fire + faster projectiles in a coil. Have a 22% rustic sash, and around 70% added spell damage on both my dagger and shield apiece.

I'm guessing that the missing jewel slots are an issue, as well as the lack of a sixth link. But god damn it if the build requires that sixth link level 4 empower.


Hi,

i don't play Cantrip's Build myself. But as i can tell from my EK Build, you definately need very good Jewels to get high end Damage. I dont know your EK Gem level, but when you compare a lvl 20 EK to a lvl 24 EK, you increase your base Damage by around 50%. After that, all other multipliers are added. In my case 1 Extra Level of EK gives me around 10k DPS, so the Gem level by itself is a big deal and that's how Damage Scaling works in PoE. As i remember, you keep struggeling to get the right colours for your Gem Setup. But what you can try is to replace Faster Casting with Controlled Destruction. This will not increase your Tooltip DPS by much, but you will hit a lot harder. More multipliers are multiplied with each other, so every additional mutliplier will be a lot better. As an example, in case of my EK RF Build, i have ~30k tooltip in my 6link with Hatred and Flame Golem. But with 5 Frenzy Charges and Righteous Fire i will end up at 70k DPS.

So higher Base Damage is scaled up by alot and every % increased Damage and every % more Damage will make up the difference. And the same applies for an additional Support Gem.
In case of Physical Spells, because of Added Fire and Hatred, the Gem level is more important than for other Spells.

I wish you and all other guys out there a Happy new Year


Oh wow, just realized...level 4 empower basically doubles EK's damage. ROFL. In short, I'd venture to say that more than half the damage comes from the fact that it's a 6L +4 to gems EK setup. Because I'm running the original setup minus the empower in a 5L coil and I'm at 24.6k tooltip with hatred, golem, level 19 gems, and 70% spell on both dagger and shield.

In short, for the same amount of investment to reach the lulzy numbers this build gets, he can probably ROFL at uber atziri with another build.
I'm not even using Empower, and I get over 120k total DPS (with the Poison) with EK 20 (and non q, level 19 supports) on normal Tabula. So, no, not THAT expensive. If I get Empower 4 by some miracle, it will replace Faster Casting of all things, btw.
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Last edited by CantripN#4278 on Jan 2, 2016, 1:49:52 PM
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CantripN wrote:
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WinterSphinx wrote:
Blood Rage is fine once you get used to it. Getting the standard life/trires boots lets you get cast speed on rings (spell damage too on ammy) or even a Ming's Heart if you feel you have too much hp. On an unlimited budget I'd probably use Blood Dance though, if only to save up on a gem slot.


It depends on the gearing. Since I'm going for a Hyrri's, I feel the 16% Spell Dodge from the boots is a big deal, and losing all that Cast Speed / Attack Speed (for WB) is a HUGE deal.


I don't really like Hyrri's. Vaal Grace already puts you at 74% dodge and 64% spell dodge, and you should have it up for every difficult pack. 2k evasion is nice but I'd rather have health.

Coil or Belly seem much better if you want to live. Even Carcass Jack seems as good or better for defence because it has health.
If Vaal Grace is up, sure. But proactive is better than reactive, in my mind, so having more Dodge is good.
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CantripN wrote:
I'm not even using Empower, and I get over 120k total DPS (with the Poison) with EK 20 (and non q, level 19 supports) on normal Tabula. So, no, not THAT expensive. If I get Empower 4 by some miracle, it will replace Faster Casting of all things, btw.


What links are you using?

EK/faster projectiles/echo/faster casting/poison/added fire?

Or is it:

EK/poison/added fire/echo/faster casting/controlled destruction?

If the second, then putting that into anything BUT a Tabula probably can run into god knows how many chromes (3 blue off colors).

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IlyaK1986 wrote:
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CantripN wrote:
I'm not even using Empower, and I get over 120k total DPS (with the Poison) with EK 20 (and non q, level 19 supports) on normal Tabula. So, no, not THAT expensive. If I get Empower 4 by some miracle, it will replace Faster Casting of all things, btw.


What links are you using?

EK/faster projectiles/echo/faster casting/poison/added fire?

Or is it:

EK/poison/added fire/echo/faster casting/controlled destruction?

If the second, then putting that into anything BUT a Tabula probably can run into god knows how many chromes (3 blue off colors).



The second, and it's even 4 off-color for a Hyrri's. And you know what? That's not a huge deal if you can afford a 6L in the first place.

I'm still on a Tabula on Talisman, and I'm doing just fine, though.
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Last edited by CantripN#4278 on Jan 3, 2016, 4:28:12 AM
Thanks for the guide, I've been following it in Talisman and just got to level 80.

I'm currently running EK/Added Fire/Echo/CD in a Geofri's. I'm considering an upgrade to a 5L Hyrri's Ire. Do you think EK/Added Fire/Echo/CD/(FC/Poison/Empower lvl 2) would give more or less DPS than the 4L with +1 from Geofri's? I'm currently leaning toward poison in the 5th slot for easier coloring.

My current TT DPS with Hatred, F golem, but no charges is only 18.6k. However, EK and supports are only 18, and I need to upgrade my jewels (only 2 with ~15% phys each atm).

I'm not expecting to be able to afford a 6L unless it's a tabula, and I'd rather not give up the defense.

Thoughts?

(edit: updated some jewels now 20k)
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