Play Low Life without Shav/Solaris, play as you want.

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sanleon wrote:

And i never said poe.xyz had the absolute truth about an item, but there is a high probability that if item is 1alch/fuse its not very good for end game.

To be honest there were a bunch of supposedly low value items used in end game. For example Redbeak with snapshotting RF, Prismatic eclipse and Ungils as off-handers for speed/crit, Pyre is used in a lot of builds, corrupted Asenath's for double cursing, facebreaker builds are still going strong, hyrri's bite for EA builds....

Lots of 1 alch uniques have end game uses. Yes, they are not GG legacy equip, but they can still be very strong if you have some imagination and don't just go FOTM ;)

a prayer for awesome new builds has been sent

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Sfp4 wrote:

Let me remind you that you're playing on STANDARD league where chaos resistance does not matter because you already have 16 mirrored 500 dps daggers equipped.

That makes no sense. The point of the post was to teach newer players the options of being able to play Low Life builds without the use of Shavs or Lorica, it wasn't about just chaos resist. Next time read before you comment.

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robotamen wrote:

Yes, Idioticus, Vertex is a great option for try this but, as you say, you'll need to use another (or maybe more) item with chaos res or Zahndethu's chest, giving less sense at this idea: try to open the low life ''world'' to all the chests and ES/hybrids builds.

TBC + Ming's + the 20% from passives should indeed give you max chaos res.
But
vertex + ming's + 20% from passives gives you only 31% less increased chaos res (meaning if you had perfect ming's and vertex regarding chaos res, you'd be sitting at 53% chaos res, requiring only 22% chaos res to reach max).

The point being, TBC doesn't give enough chaos resistance to make it unfavorable to get the vertex instead. 31% less increased chaos resistance is a non-issue.

Instead of using a shitty helmet like the broken crown, you could do some setup with the Vertex or a good hubris like this:



Capped chaos resistance at 75% (80% with legacy saffells and up to 82% if you bother with corruptions) with around 500 unreserved life and possibly taking off auras/heralds when in chaos heavy areas. You can also use rathpith to give more life and es. Vitality and a few regen nodes should deal with most degens and a life flask will deal with chaos burst or heavy degens that don't kill you. I can do all map mods, including bm, -max reflect and no regen (turn off vitality and use life flask instead).

The only chaos damage that can kill me is extremely heavy degen (poison gas boxes or +damage 78 gas zombies come to mind) or powerful crits chaos bombers which can be dodged as long as you aren't asleep. Basically the same stuff that would normally kill you if you weren't CI.

This build also does a lot more damage compared to an equivalent shavs build, for the record.

-Max also does apply to chaos damage, which means you could be taking up to double chaos damage. It also means stuff like immortal flesh does reduce max chaos res as well, but the massive life regen still gives you a lot more protection vs degens.

Some examples with old gear (before 2nd wand and better boots):

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sanleon wrote:

Chaos damage is nothing compared with elemental damage.

It has no collateral effect (xD like cold dmg -> chill or freeze) and its not affected by -max res map mod (thw most dangerous).


I vendored this today. I saw it and i knew it was crap but used poe.xyz to corroborate it. 1 fuse


Tldr: trash

- Max res does reduce max chaos res aswell, you can tell this without testing even bcz it saw -# Maxiumum resistance not -#Maximem ELEMENTAL resistnce. You can also get +1 max res as a corruption on ammys and chest pieces which does work on chaos resistance aswell so you could reach 77% chaos res if you so wanted.
I have played a low-life build with the broken crown and its not bad at all. You do need to sacrafice that helmet slot instead of a 400 ES helmet, but on the other hand you can use a 900+ ES chest. I was aiming for 500 unreserved life which is not hard to get with the hybrid es/life nodes and some HP rolls on jewelery and other items. You need to take 1% life regen from the tree and you get a free blood rage which is still OP as hell for low-life attack builds. To counter the lvl 20 CoD in the helmet you just put ur auras in the helm and its solved. You cannot use a CWDT setup in the helmet itself tho bcz it counters each other out.

PS: On the CoD suggestion, MoM doesnt work on energy shield, keep that in mind!
PS2: Well I guess Goatsebusters beat me to it on a few points. :>

Maybe you are right Idioticus.

But we are counting with Ming's, what if we are building an spell or elem char?, in that case Ming's is useless. I mean, the idea was minimize the chaos requierements in just a few items, the best chaos res items, and then maximize the remaining items and use them exclusively for our build and not for make viable our low life condition, an example, low life Voll's Protector discharger.

Yes, we could do it with another helmet Goatse, but the real point of this is try to compete with Shav's low life, and the only way is try to close the chaos problem as fast as we can, with a minimum of possible items.

EDIT: epic contribution Goatse, thanks a lot.

Slemenik, you're right about MoM, thanks.

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robotamen wrote:

Maybe you are right Idioticus.

But we are counting with Ming's, what if we are building an spell or elem char?, in that case Ming's is useless. I mean, the idea was minimize the chaos requierements in just a few items, the best chaos res items, and then maximize the remaining items and use them exclusively for our build and not for make viable our low life condition, an example, low life Voll's Protector discharger.

Yes, we could do it with another helmet Goatse, but the real point of this is try to compete with Shav's low life, and the only way is try to close the chaos problem as fast as we can, with a minimum of possible items.

EDIT: epic contribution Goatse, thanks a lot.

Slemenik, you're right about MoM, thanks.

If the goal is to be cheap, you could use a springleaf instead of a real shield which will give you enough regen to not die to most degens, and it comes with freeze reduction to boot. You can still use Ghost Reaver to leech on ES. Of course, you lose a ton of es and resistances you would get from a real shield or a ton of dps from dual wielding.

In other words, if you want to make a dirt-cheap lowlife build that is strong vs chaos damage, you could probably do it with 1ex of stuff but you'd be walking around with 2000 es and you'd die to everything that isn't chaos damage. CI and lowlife are not cheap when comes to getting good es gear, and speccing into lowlife without shavs/lorica requires similar high es gear with chaos resistance. It's going to be much cheaper than buying a shavs (unless you're using some 900es regalia), but don't expect to reasonably go lowlife with about 40 chaos in gear.

Mmm, well, the point is not a dirt-cheap build, is try to open the low life mod for every ES/hybrid ES build with just a few chaos res items, and my first example was the fastest way: TBC + Mings = 110%+.

Even if an enemy hits you directly with chaos the idea is ever, ever survive, in another words, playing something like wearing a Shav's... is not the same but if its safe its good enough (imo).

The low level shield, well, gives you a lot of regen, but if you got 75% chaos res you can use Frenzy and Blood Dande and you'll be using endgame items, not a crap shield.

this game is completely held back in 1 sense.

low life builds are dominated by the shavs.
the solaris is a junk item that isn't even worth taking a look at...

as long as theres no good alternatives to the shavs, its like this will be sitting by the wayside rather untouched.

shavs is a perfect example of a item that isn't "build defining" but "build killing", cause so few can afford one, so its just not an option for 99% of the player base, so any item that provides buffs at low life is basically ignored.

what shavs does - should be a key node, and not a gear thing.