Vengeance

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Noperative wrote:

Decent idea, however I feel the implementation is underwhelming. It seems to be meant for 2H builds relying on unwavering stance to maximize the number of hits in melee. My build is exactly this, Res tech + unwavering + static strike running in a doomsower with vengeance as a utility link.

I've tried vengeance in 3 ways:

1) Curse-on-Hit + Curse - In general the curse does not apply that often. You have the advantage of running a high level curse unlike in codt but the aoe and proc rate of the vengeance are too low for satisfaction. I am often killing the mobs near me before it even goes off, wasting the activation since most of the mobs are already dead. In order to make this more viable, I suggest higher aoe or proc rate.

2) Endurance Charge on Stun + Stun - It's worse than enduring cry by a lot more than the autocast can justify. Again, proc rate is too slow for good charge generation and it doesn't work as well as any other method we have now.

3) LGOH/Leech + Damage - Immortal call and flasks save me way more than an extra bit of health every second or so. In general it is not effective for sustain in tough fights and in all other scenarios it contributes nothing.


So in conclusion the current numbers of vengeance are too weak. Feels like it would work better in pvp where players are attacking often and quickly. In PvE the proc rate and aoe need to be increased. Feels like you are punished for making a good build, if you can stun mobs due to high damage and clear them quickly it's basically dead weight. Even CODT links on a strong clearing build (bow, wander, dagger) will proc fairly often.

30% proc rate is not enough to reliably accomplish the goals in PvE, probably because a single mob's attack speed is too low and the only situation where it procs a lot are when you are already swarmed in mobs and are in a tough spot.

In addition, the coverage is too low. I attach increased AOE to my vengeance and the range is still very small. For example if you were to run a sweep build you would not even be in range to hit anything with vengeance if it ever procs.


Skills it needs to match up to:

Vaal Spectral Throw - Similar uptime, the amount of them you can throw in a map is similar to the vengeance uptime, approximately once every 2-3 white packs. You chuck one when a pack gets hard, vengeance usually only activates in these times since the mobs actually have a chance to hit you enough times. Range is way higher and it scales off your aspd so the delay is not bad.

Leap Slam - attaching end. charge on stun or curse on hit means you get travel and also utility comparable to vengeance. You don't really miss out during the application time since you can leap into the pack. Base aoe is about the same and you get to control it perfectly too.

Codt - easy enough to get an ice nova with a high level curse to hit everything. Almost 100% applies on everything and procs constantly too. A level 5 enduring cry generates charges faster too.

Self-cast - Highest coverage obviously. Even with no improved cast times a melee character can probably get these off before he can expect vengeance to proc similar effects.