[1.3] Lib's Scion BM IG LL ST (7.0) 82.6k GMP / 116.8k LMP~ 129.2k GMP / 182.7k Buff

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nickyadaya wrote:

I think you missed pretty much every point I made and took my post fairly personal.

I delibrately compared the two specs in an unbiased manner and your acting fairly biased given you've only played your spec after 1.3.

I don't care who you played with in 78 rots if they are dying to reflect they are Incredibly bad lmfao and clearly are doing a lot of things wrong.

I'm not sure why your acting as if I said a single bad thing about your build or am trying to discredit you in any way. I've been nothing but respectful and courteous. The only reason I posted this was because of the gentleman above you requesting a viable mana spec.


To respond to some of your key points I tested bm on my scion AND witch at a later point just for pure testing purposes and like I said before there essentially is hardly any difference.

I'm a little confused as to what you consider "self sustained auras". I run every single aura you do except haste. If you consider that an aura that is required to sustain anything I don't really know what to say.

I soloed for probably about half of my road to 100 and heavily through 97-98 ish. I died three times (one in an apex due to high ping spike + puncture) from 90-100 and there are quite a vast amount of people that can vouch for that if you seriously care enough to have me validate that my build doesn't need to ride on the dicks of party members. I really don't see how it's arguable to say one spec is better than the other. It's be just plain silly.

There's no "qol" difference between our specs

We have essentially the exact same damage output

We have a fairly moderate es difference in which mana comes out on top with a max es of approximately 8.5-8.6k with perfect gear, but doesn't necessarily make a world of a difference while leveling anyways if playing smart.

Mana has a bit higher physical damage than bm mc does therefore more effective leech but nothing super substantial.

Bm mc gets haste and q bm gem on enhance resulting in slightly higher aps and mana does not.

Probs a few other things but the notable points are stated and clearly the pros and cons even out down to PERSONAL preference. Statistic wise one really isn't better than the other undeniably.


The approach I'm taking I think you can agree is unbiased I think it's pretty silly that I have to restate that fact considering I've held that stance since my first post. You don't have to take this really personal, I just don't think it's fair to call something "not viable" without getting the entire facts properly about it. It doesn't matter who you've played with that was mana based, to use something like that in your defense is absurd considering I can say the same exact thing, I've been in parties with bm mc llst players who actually specifically follow your spec and are absolute garbage can players, it doesn't mean the build is bad? It means the player is bad. If you have acuities you shouldn't be dying to reflect unless you get cursed I think you out of all people should know that alone is a red flag that, that players gear/spec is shit. Pretty common knowledge shit.


I don't mean to offend you in any way as I've said, not an I trying to instigate an argument I just believe you should really take the time and read over some of the things I've said in my past post and maybe even this one before replying in an intellectual manner because I feel like you truly didn't take the time to understand what I was saying. It seems to be a common thing as I look back at some of the constructive comments in prior pages of your guide.

Anyways I'm done with my wall of text, hopefully this shines a bit more light on both the viability of the specs and can be an end all of dispute here because that's absolutely not what I came here for. Just to educate nothing more.

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qquno wrote:

"The gems, You didn't link 20/23BM on your Blood rage, As it gives you more IAS while on LL" he obviously aware about it, he actually mention it in his wall of text, mana version have like 10 hp unreserved, so even he link it with BM he could not cast blood rage, but its irrelevant, since DPS output is the same as yours in the end.

"There's no Increased duration on your Vaal disc, and you don't have a Gem slot for Vaal haste.", fair, but you don't have cwdt :) So he can replace CWDT with increased duration - vhaste - vdiscipline (mirrored gear is a pain though).

"I Patch 2.0 AKA Act 4, Enduring Cry will no longer Cast with CWDT Due to it's Spell Category switching to Warcry, It does not automate" yeah, but I would not be surprised if BM - BR combo going to be "fixed" as well, since it was confirmed to work not as intended.

"I also Run Herald of ice and haste. With my disc / Wrath Empowered" nice, but DPS output the same in the end.

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nickyadaya wrote:

I don't have much to say at this point but linking q blood magic to blood rage as mana version is just fucking lol....

Like there isn't much to say after that.


You can't cast blood rage before the last aura it wouldn't work because the last aura wouldn't be able to be turned on after using blood rage. This is pretty simple stuff man.


And even if you could which as I said is just mechanically impossible you would literally only have the buff until blood Rage falls off and then you couldn't cast blood rage ever again. I think your forgetting there's no life regen...


The fact that this has to be explained is fairly ridiculous. If your gonna make a counter argument you really need to understand the entire concept of how general game mechanics work. Your trying a bit hard to disprove my arguments at this point


Also cwdt isn't really there for reflect I just don't have a rgb shield nor does it effect my clear speed much to not have vaal haste anyways. Once again a personal prefference aswell as was used before warcry was even jntroduced it's obviously something that can be easily changed and isn't relied on by any means

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InAshesTheyShallReap wrote:

glyph mark alone is better than mirrored rings+mirrored amulet+mirrored dagger+mirrored belt+mirrored shield all together

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qquno wrote:

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InAshesTheyShallReap wrote:

glyph mark alone is better than mirrored rings+mirrored amulet+mirrored dagger+mirrored belt+mirrored shield all together

and that is sad :\