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Acrol wrote:
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iGanc wrote:
So my question is: How much life regen would I need with blood rage at -18 chaos resist? I'm guessing just right around 4.5% ? Also, is this a good idea?

A level 20 Blood Rage has a 3.8% degen assuming for have no increased buff effects. 3.8*1.18 = 3.54% life regen.


There we go, the numbers are supplied! 3.8*1.18 I can't believe I couldn't get this yesterday haha, it's actually 4.48 though. So i'd need just about 4.5% regen. Thank you :P
IF i only have BOR and Abyssus with 5L Lightning Coil ,,
which one you think is better?
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andrew698 wrote:
IF i only have BOR and Abyssus with 5L Lightning Coil ,,
which one you think is better?


For softcore, BoR. HC, LC
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hey, some comments/questions on the build:

awesome build ! played it from 1 to 86 on standard in less than a week. very smooth levelling, you can use ungils + brightbeak until mid of cruel, i can really recommend that for the beginning!

its so much fun and the clearspeed is so good, i dont want to play any other build anymore...

the tree is beautiful ! im impressed that its highly adaptable ! get vaal pact, increased duration nodes, dualwield maxblock, more life, more crit, whatever you need !



im running around with 4000 hp atm and 45%block and doryanis. its a nobrainer unless you dont freeze or permastun, then it can get a bit tricky and i die from time to time. would you suggest to get more block/spellblock or more life? my armour value is around 4000 right now. feels like elemental hits, especially cold damage, can get dangerous.

can you upload a full atziri run video? I would like to see how to take care of phys trio.
and, usual question, have you tried uber with it?



seriously, this smells like build of the week. the damage is borderline OP even with no mirrored items, just doryanis+LC+abyssus makes your DPS skyrocket. its insane. thank you for this build!
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Skyforth wrote:
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andrew698 wrote:
IF i only have BOR and Abyssus with 5L Lightning Coil ,,
which one you think is better?


For softcore, BoR. HC, LC


Wouldn't LC be the better option in either case? It provides the possibility of more DPS while simultaneously counteracting drawbacks via its effect. When 6L'd, it allows for high level/quality gems, whereas BoR is just a cheap 7L.

On a related note, I would like to know the details of your posted 60k tooltip. Specifically, what conditions you were under when you posted that. Was that with full power and frenzy charges? With level 20 Vaal Haste?

Reason being, I can only get up to about 20k DPS on Ground Slam and 45k DPS on Glacial Hammer with my current gear and (previous, more crit-based tree, which I have since respecced to be more HP-based, so now the DPS is more like 15k and 38k or something).

EDIT: My ABSOLUTE HIGHEST DPS (6L with Ground Slam - 20/20 Increased Critical Damage - Added Fire - Melee Phys - Multistrike - PCoC) (e.g: Yes, I omitted the usual Increased AOE gem) with full power/frenzy charges and Vaal Haste up is 40k/60k. Which are rather depressingly low. What happened to "if you've got these three core items, you can hit 60k/100k dps easily"?

Also, ignore Item Quantity. That's usually 20/20 WED, I had that on for Vaal frag boss farming.

Is it just the skill tree and the gear? Or have you done something fundamentally different? Because the numbers just don't add up. It seems like this build doesn't function too well defensively until it gets all of its crit, HP, and block/dual wield dps nodes going, and it only clears non-difficult bosses (e.g: If I walk into 70 Graveyard Merveil boss, I'll be slaughtered by ice projectiles if I have so much as a second of lag).

Here is gear:
Spoiler


Here is tree:
Spoiler
https://poebuilder.com/character/AAAAAgQAAAYJWA5ID6sUUhUgFfYWvxjbHcomlSftKNsppSpNLOkwVDSTNZI2PTwtPT4_Jz-bQYdHfkrITipRTFM1VUtZ81uvXLBh4mJ5Y0NjcGVNbBZsjG1sbmluqm-ecql3B31bfr2DCYTZhxOHGYwLjDaQVZJ9l_6Yb5krm7WcpJ2qpn-nNKxHrKqxs7VItfK2Qbc-uXy9gb6nwBrAnMGLwzrEuMT2xq7KStP81fjYvdun3CPdDd_v44Tlz-oY7LDtQe_j9zL8S_4K
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Last edited by Epee#6344 on Nov 17, 2014, 12:14:33 PM
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Epee wrote:
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Skyforth wrote:
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andrew698 wrote:
IF i only have BOR and Abyssus with 5L Lightning Coil ,,
which one you think is better?


For softcore, BoR. HC, LC


Wouldn't LC be the better option in either case? It provides the possibility of more DPS while simultaneously counteracting drawbacks via its effect. When 6L'd, it allows for high level/quality gems, whereas BoR is just a cheap 7L.

On a related note, I would like to know the details of your posted 60k tooltip. Specifically, what conditions you were under when you posted that. Was that with full power and frenzy charges? With level 20 Vaal Haste?

Reason being, I can only get up to about 20k DPS on Ground Slam and 45k DPS on Glacial Hammer with my current gear and (previous, more crit-based tree, which I have since respecced to be more HP-based, so now the DPS is more like 15k and 38k or something).

EDIT: My ABSOLUTE HIGHEST DPS (6L with Ground Slam - 20/20 Increased Critical Damage - Added Fire - Melee Phys - Multistrike - PCoC) (e.g: Yes, I omitted the usual Increased AOE gem) with full power/frenzy charges and Vaal Haste up is 40k/60k. Which are rather depressingly low. What happened to "if you've got these three core items, you can hit 60k/100k dps easily"?

Also, ignore Item Quantity. That's usually 20/20 WED, I had that on for Vaal frag boss farming.

Is it just the skill tree and the gear? Or have you done something fundamentally different? Because the numbers just don't add up. It seems like this build doesn't function too well defensively until it gets all of its crit, HP, and block/dual wield dps nodes going, and it only clears non-difficult bosses (e.g: If I walk into 70 Graveyard Merveil boss, I'll be slaughtered by ice projectiles if I have so much as a second of lag).

Here is gear:
Spoiler


Here is tree:
Spoiler
https://poebuilder.com/character/AAAAAgQAAAYJWA5ID6sUUhUgFfYWvxjbHcomlSftKNsppSpNLOkwVDSTNZI2PTwtPT4_Jz-bQYdHfkrITipRTFM1VUtZ81uvXLBh4mJ5Y0NjcGVNbBZsjG1sbmluqm-ecql3B31bfr2DCYTZhxOHGYwLjDaQVZJ9l_6Yb5krm7WcpJ2qpn-nNKxHrKqxs7VItfK2Qbc-uXy9gb6nwBrAnMGLwzrEuMT2xq7KStP81fjYvdun3CPdDd_v44Tlz-oY7LDtQe_j9zL8S_4K

The DPS of the build really doesn't pick up until you are around level 85 tbh. Around there each talent was giving me several thousand dps.
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Epee wrote:
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Skyforth wrote:
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andrew698 wrote:
IF i only have BOR and Abyssus with 5L Lightning Coil ,,
which one you think is better?


For softcore, BoR. HC, LC


Wouldn't LC be the better option in either case? It provides the possibility of more DPS while simultaneously counteracting drawbacks via its effect. When 6L'd, it allows for high level/quality gems, whereas BoR is just a cheap 7L.

On a related note, I would like to know the details of your posted 60k tooltip. Specifically, what conditions you were under when you posted that. Was that with full power and frenzy charges? With level 20 Vaal Haste?

Reason being, I can only get up to about 20k DPS on Ground Slam and 45k DPS on Glacial Hammer with my current gear and (previous, more crit-based tree, which I have since respecced to be more HP-based, so now the DPS is more like 15k and 38k or something).

EDIT: My ABSOLUTE HIGHEST DPS (6L with Ground Slam - 20/20 Increased Critical Damage - Added Fire - Melee Phys - Multistrike - PCoC) (e.g: Yes, I omitted the usual Increased AOE gem) with full power/frenzy charges and Vaal Haste up is 40k/60k. Which are rather depressingly low. What happened to "if you've got these three core items, you can hit 60k/100k dps easily"?

Also, ignore Item Quantity. That's usually 20/20 WED, I had that on for Vaal frag boss farming.

Is it just the skill tree and the gear? Or have you done something fundamentally different? Because the numbers just don't add up. It seems like this build doesn't function too well defensively until it gets all of its crit, HP, and block/dual wield dps nodes going, and it only clears non-difficult bosses (e.g: If I walk into 70 Graveyard Merveil boss, I'll be slaughtered by ice projectiles if I have so much as a second of lag).

Here is gear:
Spoiler


Here is tree:
Spoiler
https://poebuilder.com/character/AAAAAgQAAAYJWA5ID6sUUhUgFfYWvxjbHcomlSftKNsppSpNLOkwVDSTNZI2PTwtPT4_Jz-bQYdHfkrITipRTFM1VUtZ81uvXLBh4mJ5Y0NjcGVNbBZsjG1sbmluqm-ecql3B31bfr2DCYTZhxOHGYwLjDaQVZJ9l_6Yb5krm7WcpJ2qpn-nNKxHrKqxs7VItfK2Qbc-uXy9gb6nwBrAnMGLwzrEuMT2xq7KStP81fjYvdun3CPdDd_v44Tlz-oY7LDtQe_j9zL8S_4K


hey, dont you think 40/60k dps is already really high considering the price of the gear??

i got similar problems as you. i think its because you have no accuracy on your gear. whats your chance to hit?
quality on the gems can really make a difference. the bonuses seem little, but they add up to a lot of deeps.

and finnally, you dont use an amulet with 60% increased crit multiplier. thats the main dps booster for this build. just compare your chance to hit percentage, your attack speed modifier and your crit muultiplier with the one in the screens and you should see the difference, at least for me thats the reason.

edit: oh, and your weapon dps is around 280 compared to the 330 from skyforth
edit2: plus, the way to ambidexterity notable will give you ALOT of dps.
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Last edited by cmphx#5486 on Nov 17, 2014, 6:11:23 PM
Major stats from amulet when going DPS as i have down. I was not using Lahzwar nor rainbowstrides.

I'm not sure what more you're expecting from bosses like merveil. Capped res and spell block on demand.

My weapon has higher dps and some of my gems are 21/20 or 20/23. I also have a legacy crit amulet and i have a lot of flat damage on rings. You'll be surprised how much dps you get from ambidexterity.

Also missing a lot of crit nodes, and I have a level 96 tree.
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Skyforth wrote:
Major stats from amulet when going DPS as i have down. I was not using Lahzwar nor rainbowstrides.

I'm not sure what more you're expecting from bosses like merveil. Capped res and spell block on demand.

My weapon has higher dps and some of my gems are 21/20 or 20/23. I also have a legacy crit amulet and i have a lot of flat damage on rings. You'll be surprised how much dps you get from ambidexterity.

Also missing a lot of crit nodes, and I have a level 96 tree.


At the time, I was using a legacy crit ammy. 69% crit multi.

I had all crit nodes. I said that I respecced from crit to HP because I wasn't doing enough damage anyways, so I might as well get some tankiness. I'll definitely have to check out Ambidexterity now.

Strides should have little to do with DPS.

A lot of my problems have to do with my jewelry: namely, how I'll cover resists and still be able to change them. Swapping them for anything that would make my DPS look good will take several exalts.

Yeah, your weapon's better. But mine's easily equivalent to a high phys roll Doryani's. I'll see how it turns out with the gems.

Also, no, I don't think that 40/60k when I'm fully buffed and wearing a Tabula (with the wrong links so I get more DPS display) is good. Melee DPS is inferior to displayed DPS of several other nonmelee. And this is pretty low for a crit melee as well.
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Last edited by Epee#6344 on Nov 18, 2014, 10:44:27 AM
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Epee wrote:
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Skyforth wrote:
Major stats from amulet when going DPS as i have down. I was not using Lahzwar nor rainbowstrides.

I'm not sure what more you're expecting from bosses like merveil. Capped res and spell block on demand.

My weapon has higher dps and some of my gems are 21/20 or 20/23. I also have a legacy crit amulet and i have a lot of flat damage on rings. You'll be surprised how much dps you get from ambidexterity.

Also missing a lot of crit nodes, and I have a level 96 tree.


At the time, I was using a legacy crit ammy. 69% crit multi.

I had all crit nodes. I said that I respecced from crit to HP because I wasn't doing enough damage anyways, so I might as well get some tankiness. I'll definitely have to check out Ambidexterity now.

Strides should have little to do with DPS.

A lot of my problems have to do with my jewelry: namely, how I'll cover resists and still be able to change them. Swapping them for anything that would make my DPS look good will take several exalts.

Yeah, your weapon's better. But mine's easily equivalent to a high phys roll Doryani's. I'll see how it turns out with the gems.

Also, no, I don't think that 40/60k when I'm fully buffed and wearing a Tabula (with the wrong links so I get more DPS display) is good. Melee DPS is inferior to displayed DPS of several other nonmelee. And this is pretty low for a crit melee as well.


It's near impossible to compare the tooltip DPS for this build to any other characters. Dual wield calculations for ground slam do take into account the stats of the offhand weapon, even if you do not swing with it. Since the offhand DPS is very low the tooltip is much lower than the actual damage output.
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