JakeAlmightys LL Tank Wander - prepping for Hall of GRANDMASTERS! updated WIP

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Chundadragon wrote:

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ABM_HeLLsBeLLs wrote:

I guess i just don't understand what you are trying to achieve at this point. You've got one of the best PVE builds out right now with literally the BIS gear for the build so why not be content wrecking all the PVE guys that face your grandmaster submission with this build and call it a day?

As it stands, his PvE build would get wrecked pretty hard by some of the popular puncture builds and perhaps some of the melee.

If you're building for Grandmasters then inherently you are building for PvP from the start =)

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JakeAlmighty wrote:

hi Wiesl,


first off thank you for the great post. I'll respond to a couple of yours points with stuff I'd like to try out but first i want to reiterate my opening part of the build -

there is no way to build a character to actually win against PVP players who adapt their build to your GM. It's not possible. Whatever your character is weak to, they will switch into their answers to you and they will dominate. This is exacerbated by the fact that these people will take on the map in groups, they will have different builds and every counter available to them, and it is just completely impossible to keep any advantage.

This is displayed especially in the flasks - Temporal Chains is obviously utterly devastating to a lot of builds (including this one) but the fact is I can't use an anti-curse flask. I decided not to even bother including Temp Chains in my setup because every single player who meets him WILL have that flask and it will do nothing.

The truth in the end, is that anybody who has PVPed a lot and actively counters peoples builds as they go is going to easily cruise through the Hall of GMs without trouble. Among other counters, anybody who can land a Bear Trap on this GM has him dead whenever they like, even just temp chains will be lethal if they are prepared to bypass her defenses. (ie they can just EK spam her dead at that point) There is nothing that can be done about this, because you can't be invincible to everything in PVP.

So I don't plan on beating those people - there is no point. Instead we build vs normal players from average gear to expensive gear, who are in PvE setups and are mostly going to be trying to beat the map without switching up too much stuff. They don't carry a large pile of gems to swap in and out in their inventory, and they certainly don't have a very firm grasp of what they should do to counter something they start to fail against. This is what I mean by being a "Raid Boss" rather than a PVP player with an AI. A big boss in an MMO always has strategies that counter him, if the players do the correct things, they will win. The same is true here.

I do agree that lowlife is not the style of play with the "least weaknesses" as it were - but it is the group of builds that I play so I'll be staying within that realm. If I ever do actual PVP seriously (apparently the PVP seasons are actually coming at long last) then that will not be all low life ofc. (but that is a whole different thing, where one side is not gimped out of flasks and unable to swap his skills in any way)



On to your suggestions - I like the Alpha Howl idea. I will check out what kind of dps I can hit without CoE on and if it's tenable that could be an excellent way to address the freezing problem. Dream Fragments is problematic as I currently cap my resistances with the rings, as well as it offering much needed mana regeneration and also dps. The spell damage on Onslaught Song would go to waste, but it's not a big deal in the end.

The 6l is open to revision. (skills that have been suggested to me in the last few hours - Barrage/Power Siphon/Elemental Hit) Pierce is certainly something to think about, were it real PVP I feel like it's something I'd rather carry in inventory and then (ie) swap it in as soon as I see Ice Walls start coming down. Alas we don't have that luxury - it may be safer to include it, at the same time a good chunk of the playerbase has not a clue that Frost Wall is even a skill worth having a gem for.


Spell casters and trappers are the biggest weaknesses I identified in my own build, and I'm not 100% sure whether it is worth devoting precious resources/space to trying to shore it up. It is difficult to get much spell block in this setup, and we are unable to push our elemental resists very far above cap as we can't use topaz/ruby/sapphire etc.



thank you for the feedback though, let's do what we can to shore up the weak spots. (starting with I'll look into the alpha's howl plan) I think in the end though we just have to accept that anybody willing to counter you (vs an opponent who is unable to adapt to the ruleset) is going to be able to win fairly easily.

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Ceratoidei wrote:

Wiesl you oversee the fact that freeze and chilled time is calctulated with the incoming cold, therefore barrage is bullshit

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Skyforth wrote:

Barrage is absolute shit.

@posts above, frostwall doesn't block projectiles.

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Skyforth wrote:

@posts above, frostwall doesn't block projectiles.