[1.2] KuteKitteh's New Tanky Arc/Incinerate Hybrid, HC/Endgame-viable

Does Doryani's catalyst affect Chaos Damage? If not, why don't just use add lightning damage instead, which may also share %increase lightning damage with the Arc set.

Hey I'm leveling this build up right and was just wondering if there were certain levels I should aim for to hit Eldritch Battery, Mind over Matter, Unwavering stance. Thanks

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liuqiao9902 wrote:

Does Doryani's catalyst affect Chaos Damage? If not, why don't just use add lightning damage instead, which may also share %increase lightning damage with the Arc set.

I did some number crunching. We'll compare 20/0 ALD against 20/0 AChD, +62% SpD in tree, +16% ED in tree, and perfect vs shittiest Catalyst/Rathpith.

ADDED LIGHTNING DAMAGE:
Perfect Catalyst (+110% ED), perfect Rathpith (+60% SpD)
Adds average 131.0 LD per hit

Perfect Catalyst (+110% ED), shittiest Rathpith (+40% SpD)
Adds average 123.5 LD per hit

Shittiest Catalyst (+90% ED), perfect Rathpith (+60% SpD)
Adds average 123.5 LD per hit (same as above)

ADDED CHAOS DAMAGE:
Worst case scenario: No weapon, shittiest Rathpith
Adds average 122.1 ChD per hit

No weapon, perfect Rathpith
Adds average 134.2 ChD per hit

So in general, AChD is always the better choice. The only time ALD outperforms AChD is when you have 110% Catalyst coupled with a 40% Rathpith, or values close to that.

Other factors to consider that puts AChD ahead:
1. EleRes mobs (much more common than ChRes mobs)
2. EE mobs
3. Q20 AChD adds yet another +10% ChD

Is tempest shield an important factor too this build, or can it be left out?

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consca wrote:

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liuqiao9902 wrote:

Does Doryani's catalyst affect Chaos Damage? If not, why don't just use add lightning damage instead, which may also share %increase lightning damage with the Arc set.

I did some number crunching. We'll compare 20/0 ALD against 20/0 AChD, +62% SpD in tree, +16% ED in tree, and perfect vs shittiest Catalyst/Rathpith.

ADDED LIGHTNING DAMAGE:
Perfect Catalyst (+110% ED), perfect Rathpith (+60% SpD)
Adds average 131.0 LD per hit

Perfect Catalyst (+110% ED), shittiest Rathpith (+40% SpD)
Adds average 123.5 LD per hit

Shittiest Catalyst (+90% ED), perfect Rathpith (+60% SpD)
Adds average 123.5 LD per hit (same as above)

ADDED CHAOS DAMAGE:
Worst case scenario: No weapon, shittiest Rathpith
Adds average 122.1 ChD per hit

No weapon, perfect Rathpith
Adds average 134.2 ChD per hit

So in general, AChD is always the better choice. The only time ALD outperforms AChD is when you have 110% Catalyst coupled with a 40% Rathpith, or values close to that.

Other factors to consider that puts AChD ahead:
1. EleRes mobs (much more common than ChRes mobs)
2. EE mobs
3. Q20 AChD adds yet another +10% ChD

Thx, that's an awesome explanation.

I just tried to use Cybil's Paw instead of Doryani's Cata, Incinerate Dps is way higher,but not Arc. I guess the best weapon should be a rare wand for this build. By the way, how much dps/life/mana could you get with this build?

First i must say thanks for this nice build. :)

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iRawNoRubber wrote:

Is tempest shield an important factor too this build, or can it be left out?

Tempest shield adds 4% shield block chance and deals lightning damage to attackers (very nice life/mana leech!). Without the additional 4% shield block chance you don't have 74%/75% block chance overall.

I think it's very important.

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iRawNoRubber wrote:

Is tempest shield an important factor too this build, or can it be left out?

Without TS, the build would be half as effective. The leech on TS is far too valuable to give up.

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Symeon_Stareyes wrote:

Hey I'm leveling this build up right and was just wondering if there were certain levels I should aim for to hit Eldritch Battery, Mind over Matter, Unwavering stance. Thanks

Just get them when you feel like you need them. EB is priority, MoM should come after you have over 600-1000 unreserved mana, and Unwavering is a quality-of-life thing that you can hold off on until you do really high level maps. There's really no you-have-to-have-these-nodes-by-these-levels thing because everyone's preferences and available gear will vary.

How much life/mana, incinerate/arc dps can I get at the end game with this build?

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Symeon_Stareyes wrote:

Hey I'm leveling this build up right and was just wondering if there were certain levels I should aim for to hit Eldritch Battery, Mind over Matter, Unwavering stance. Thanks

I'm also interested in this.

Just started PoE recently and right now i'm leveling an arc witch in Rampage. As i have a long D2/D3 history ill catch the basics quite fast. Perhaps ill switch over to HC at some point (next season?) Dunno. So when to go down the path to MoM and US ? Go straight for them or work on a little block first? Is block worth it without the rathpit?
Right now im at Mental Rapidity in the passive Tree with Level 39 on my witch. Getting to MoM and US would cost me 28 skill points straight.


Would appreciate a little insight here. Thx in advance

Hello, so came across this build was wondering about your Geofris is it better to run a lvl2 empower if you have it? or is faster casting a better setup? i got lucky with a vaal gem in my empower. also wondering if you could look at my setup and let me know what i might need to change around? im not really have any trouble in my current maps, but never ran an arcer before so not totally sure what to expect. lvl 83 atm in beyond league.



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