[3.0] NeverSink's ♣ INDEPTH Tornado&Archer Guide ♣ Beginner friendly ♣ Rapid clear ♣ All bosses

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rAx wrote:

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rAx wrote:

Hi. I'm leveling the LA scion and I'm level 39. I just swapped in GMP and Chain on a Tabula. I have the Mana Leech node for 0.4% but it doesn't appear to be doing much at all. Two LA shots into a full pack and I'm out of mana, even with 2 Elreon rings. Any ideas how I can fix this? Thanks!

Edit: Taking Chain out feels a little better at this level but this build levels sooooo slowly, even with a 6L and leveling uniques. Leech doesn't feel like it's doing anything compared to other builds I've leveled and the damage doesn't seem to be there, despite going for crit/damage nodes early. I see the Spirit Void mention in the leveling section but the skill trees don't show the Spirit Void cluster being taken, only the one 0.4% mana leech node. Any other ideas?

Bump.

I give you the benefit of doubt because you are leveling a scion. Not an easy task with the 3.0 lvling..

a) mana leech while leveling

1) thief's torment
2) mana gain on hit jewels
3) mana gain on gear for 1c max
4) elreon rings you are using
5) alira as bandit choice (not advisable unless you are opting for her anyway). But if you are rich and hate leveling..
6) reduce mana reservation to 50%
7) mana flask
8) temporary nodes like spirit void, or others. There is no point in exactly replicating the endgame tree 1:1. Rangers should always pick proj dmg at the start etc. I know that you need more respecs but there are plenty of useful mana nodes tbh.
9) clarity (don't think its necessary)
10) CoH-AM

I hope I helped you but thats about the last time I write on this topic. The same question will surely be asked again 1-2 pages anyway.

b) Leveling in general

This build isn't THAT bad to level with twinked gear as a ranger. However, it's a) a lot worse compared to 2.6 because of perma bossfight mode from act 5-6 on and the ridicolous dmgspikes b) I feel like the whole leveling process is balanced around T1 builds. I can't understand why I had less dmg with twinked 400c+leveling gear (+1blackgleam into +1 drillneck, doomfletch's prism, tabula,..) with twinked tree and appropriate supports compared to leveling SSF sunder from scratch. It was ok though.

You are playing a scion too, which doesn't help your cause. Don't panic, ask a friend for a couple of bosskills and farm A9 aqueduct..

Thanks for bringing up this topic since I'm wondering why so many people are complaining about the endgame in tthis thread and so few about leveling. With the latter being quite a bit more complicated and tedious imo.

Just curious at what point can we take the spirit void wheel? It seems way down there on the skill tree and I didn't actually see it taken in any of the pictures. ( I probably missed it somewhere I'm sure)

Thanks!

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jim_Bonks wrote:

Just curious at what point can we take the spirit void wheel? It seems way down there on the skill tree and I didn't actually see it taken in any of the pictures. ( I probably missed it somewhere I'm sure)

Thanks!

Can you at least refer to my last post on this topic? OP isn't answering questions during the league so the thread is just a discussion between forum users.

You can take it at any point no matter how the endgame tree looks like. You level and take nodes which help you reaching your goal...and respec later.

If you are travelling through life leech take the 2pointer, if not, mana flows, flask nodes, w/e.

I don't even understand.

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jim_Bonks wrote:

Just curious at what point can we take the spirit void wheel? It seems way down there on the skill tree and I didn't actually see it taken in any of the pictures. ( I probably missed it somewhere I'm sure)

Thanks!

As with all builds when it comes to mana leech, life leech and basic attributes (or even all resists at some cases) - you take tree nodes (whichever are close/available to you) as soon as you need them and let go of them whenever your gear permits you to do so.

The trees depicted at (many) guides assume that you have all the above from your optimized gear hence they show you the absolute top-choice if you can spend all your point elsewhere.

So I was following this build to the letter, running tornado shot like a good student. And then, in act 5, this little thing passed by:



Just think about it. A lightning arrow with chain and GMP can hit 5*3=15 targets. If you run death's opus (which I do), with this jewel you can hit 3*6=18 targets (ignoring ice shot aoe). And now you have two extra gem slots to put damage supports! The moment I laid my eyes upon that jewel, I knew it was destiny.

Now, at level 85, I have a screenwipe skill that deals 70k dps with full charges. That doesn't include the 20% damage vs chilled enemies, of which there will be a lot. I have dropped my barrage setup, IS provides all the single-target dps I need. And although Atziri just wiped the floor with me, I'm sure I could take her on with better movement.

So I want to commend the flexibility of this build: that I was able to switch from tornado to ice shot within seconds. My bow and gem setup:

Hey mate!

Im following ur guide (nice work btw) but Im having hard time clearing t15~16 maps. Seems damage is not high enough for high speed clear... Im actually using high-end gear (STD), with 47k damage display (at HO, TS with just auras, no flasks, unbuffed).

Can u help pls? maybe u can take a look and see something I could change for faster map clearing?

https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/Saraibinha/characters/SaraiboW

Tks in advance!

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Saraibinha wrote:

Hey mate!

Im following ur guide (nice work btw) but Im having hard time clearing t15~16 maps. Seems damage is not high enough for high speed clear... Im actually using high-end gear (STD), with 47k damage display (at HO, TS with just auras, no flasks, unbuffed).

Can u help pls? maybe u can take a look and see something I could change for faster map clearing?

https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/Saraibinha/characters/SaraiboW

Tks in advance!

I'm not the OP and you can think about my feedback however you feel like.

Sorry to sound harsh, but your gear isn't high-end at all though, except for acuity and to some extent the bow.

Focus on jewellery for the easiest upgrades (your talisman looks nice but has no crit multi..neither flat damage or wed). Some high-dmg opal ring can carry you hard as well.

Diamond flask is a must (esp. with acuity instead of VP). Faster attacks on raider is bad (diminishing returns). Try icebite instead for TS. Try a separate barrage setup for bosses.

No idea about your budget but things like +1 signal fire should help a LOT. As would a helmet enchant or boot enchant (10% allres pen, 1-160 lightning damage to attacks).

That's where my knowledge as a league player ends (more or less). I have no idea about prices of items with legacy crit multi and similar things in standard - maybe someone else could help you out. You could ask in other bow threads where more standard players are participating.

All that said, your current gear should be enough to clear maps (excluding bosses). Maybe more MS (experimenter's / legacy surgeon's / alchemist's of adrenaline + onslaught in the CoH-setup would help?). I always felt that MS was one of the key limiting factors for bow builds when it comes to clearing.

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juerk wrote:

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Saraibinha wrote:

Hey mate!

Im following ur guide (nice work btw) but Im having hard time clearing t15~16 maps. Seems damage is not high enough for high speed clear... Im actually using high-end gear (STD), with 47k damage display (at HO, TS with just auras, no flasks, unbuffed).

Can u help pls? maybe u can take a look and see something I could change for faster map clearing?

https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/Saraibinha/characters/SaraiboW

Tks in advance!

I'm not the OP and you can think about my feedback however you feel like.

Sorry to sound harsh, but your gear isn't high-end at all though, except for acuity and to some extent the bow.

Focus on jewellery for the easiest upgrades (your talisman looks nice but has no crit multi..neither flat damage or wed). Some high-dmg opal ring can carry you hard as well.

Diamond flask is a must (esp. with acuity instead of VP). Faster attacks on raider is bad (diminishing returns). Try icebite instead for TS. Try a separate barrage setup for bosses.

No idea about your budget but things like +1 signal fire should help a LOT. As would a helmet enchant or boot enchant (10% allres pen, 1-160 lightning damage to attacks).

That's where my knowledge as a league player ends (more or less). I have no idea about prices of items with legacy crit multi and similar things in standard - maybe someone else could help you out. You could ask in other bow threads where more standard players are participating.

All that said, your current gear should be enough to clear maps (excluding bosses). Maybe more MS (experimenter's / legacy surgeon's / alchemist's of adrenaline + onslaught in the CoH-setup would help?). I always felt that MS was one of the key limiting factors for bow builds when it comes to clearing.

Thanks buddy! I can easily clear T15~16 maps with this build with my current gear. Just was expecting more clear speed, not worrying about boss fights cos I switch chars if needed. Ur tips were very apreciated, gonna try'em for sure!

Cya

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juerk wrote:

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Saraibinha wrote:

Hey mate!

Im following ur guide (nice work btw) but Im having hard time clearing t15~16 maps. Seems damage is not high enough for high speed clear... Im actually using high-end gear (STD), with 47k damage display (at HO, TS with just auras, no flasks, unbuffed).

Can u help pls? maybe u can take a look and see something I could change for faster map clearing?

https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/Saraibinha/characters/SaraiboW

Tks in advance!

I'm not the OP and you can think about my feedback however you feel like.

Sorry to sound harsh, but your gear isn't high-end at all though, except for acuity and to some extent the bow.

Focus on jewellery for the easiest upgrades (your talisman looks nice but has no crit multi..neither flat damage or wed). Some high-dmg opal ring can carry you hard as well.

Diamond flask is a must (esp. with acuity instead of VP). Faster attacks on raider is bad (diminishing returns). Try icebite instead for TS. Try a separate barrage setup for bosses.

No idea about your budget but things like +1 signal fire should help a LOT. As would a helmet enchant or boot enchant (10% allres pen, 1-160 lightning damage to attacks).

That's where my knowledge as a league player ends (more or less). I have no idea about prices of items with legacy crit multi and similar things in standard - maybe someone else could help you out. You could ask in other bow threads where more standard players are participating.

All that said, your current gear should be enough to clear maps (excluding bosses). Maybe more MS (experimenter's / legacy surgeon's / alchemist's of adrenaline + onslaught in the CoH-setup would help?). I always felt that MS was one of the key limiting factors for bow builds when it comes to clearing.

TESTED: just replaced Faster Attacks for Ice Bite and added Onslaught support on split arrow for turning buffs on and it turned into OP clearspeed. while at max frenzy charges (7 atm, didnt finished ubber lab yet would try it later) the dmg goes over 90k unbuffed! with all flasks up, buffed and etc, 150k DPS tooltip! even tried some tough bosses with it and it went fine!! guess im gonna keep this way because any equip change now would be a pain in the ass for resists cap/life/atributes...

tks again for the tips

Guys, i just started playing PoE again after a long break, and in my opinion i still die way 2 quick and in my opinion my clearing speed is way 2 low :(

https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/epicbanaan/characters/nicotineisfun

any tips ?

PathOfBuilding : https://pastebin.com/cmcfuTsG