[BEYOND] Atziri Farmer with 5-link Incinerate - 5k+ Life 75/75 block 60k+dps

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Tshekal wrote:

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DamageIncorporated wrote:

One variation uses Apep's Rage, and Life Leech gem instead of Cybil's....save your exalt's lol. Not better.

Solid, perfected Incinerate build. Props to OP.

This is just wrong. Apeps Rage always beats out Cybil in terms of dps by a big margin, even if u dont dual wield it. U dont need life leech gem for it to work, 1% fire leech corrupted on stone or the wand is sufficient. It´s main drawback is only the higher mana cost, but with EB this build dont rly have any problems running lvl 21 AA + apep

Never Tried Apep's so cant tell.. I need to see tooltip dps with Apep's with 6-link lvl 20 gems then can make a comment.

This build is able to farm Atziri with no problems and eaz and speedy.
But cant do Uber.
Trying out a new build with Incinerate. Its a long shot but will post results if successfull

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Tshekal wrote:

but with EB this build dont rly have any problems running lvl 21 AA + apep

Yes, tooltip is higher with apep + lifeleech. But you missed the point of MoM. If you keep casting then nothing is left from your manareg to refill one of your defenses, mana. Probably you have to stop casting ... your dps drops to 0. :)

Despite that, a good wand with cast speed, spell dmg and life leech for fire can replace cybils paw.

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knivil wrote:

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Tshekal wrote:

but with EB this build dont rly have any problems running lvl 21 AA + apep

Yes, tooltip is higher with apep + lifeleech. But you missed the point of MoM. If you keep casting then nothing is left from your manareg to refill one of your defenses, mana. Probably you have to stop casting ... your dps drops to 0. :)

Despite that, a good wand with cast speed, spell dmg and life leech for fire can replace cybils paw.

i have lvl 21 aa and my mana dont move while shotgunning with incinerate with apep, and i hav less max mana than op, your point is invalid.


but i did took the 40% mana regen node of the witch starting point (imo its too good to be skipped)

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Tshekal wrote:

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DamageIncorporated wrote:

One variation uses Apep's Rage, and Life Leech gem instead of Cybil's....save your exalt's lol. Not better.

Solid, perfected Incinerate build. Props to OP.

This is just wrong. Apeps Rage always beats out Cybil in terms of dps by a big margin, even if u dont dual wield it. U dont need life leech gem for it to work, 1% fire leech corrupted on stone or the wand is sufficient. It´s main drawback is only the higher mana cost, but with EB this build dont rly have any problems running lvl 21 AA + apep

I don't recall saying other wise. What I said was it's not better.
That's not the same thing as it's not more dps.
You blow a gem slot on life leech, and it costs a few exalts. It's not better ENOUGH to warrant it to me at least, hense "not better". Then there's the fact you're blowing alot more mana per second, which is EHP. I have 340 mana per second and the option doesn't appeal to me.
My opinion.

And the life leech corruption? Ya... sorry, like it's easy to get. or like I'm gonna buy one.
IF I was gonna buy a corrupted Lazhwar, it would have block.

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Tshekal wrote:

i have lvl 21 aa and my mana dont move while shotgunning with incinerate with apep

That was not my point. How much mana reg is left when you shotgun incinerate (with AA). With apeg I need 36 mane per cast, cast time 0,09 sec. That means I need 360 mana/s for casting incinerate. Running AA will add around 40. So 400 mana/sec is needed. Assuming you have 500 mana/s then you need 10 seconds to compesate a drop of 1000 mana while casting incinerate. But i assume you dont have 500 mana/sec. :)

I also took the 40% witch node for manareg. Nevertheless I choose cybil over apeg.

i bought my apeps for 30c before it became more popular on beyond recently. But even with 1 ex it´s not that big of a deal. If you can afford a cod, u will also be able to get apep.

It´s about to improve the build even further in terms of dps. I dont see how my EHP is affected in any way if my manaregen can sustain incinerate spam + aa, so i dont lose mana while casting. With the build´s amount of block, we rarely get a hit in. And even in case some big hits bypass our block + AA and drains some of our mana, we will get stunned, which interupts our channeling = our managregen kicks in and get that missing mana mostly covered.

I dont even consider getting stone with corrupted block because i alrdy can get 2% more block on gloves. So its the worst option for me, i dont care if i am not reaching that 75% physical block by a tiny amount since i am not using cybil( still have 75% spellblock though, which i deem more important). A corupted one with life leech cost less, so if OP is listing a 3% block stone as his luxury item, I do think that it is also legit if i am listing a fire leech stone ( which cost less)+ apep as a legimate way to increase dps by a very good amount, they are not even far apart in terms of cost.

at least how much tool tip dps with lmp incinerate would you need to do atziri phases fast enough? it seems with fight like her if you take too long you just run out of flask charges and are fucked you need to rotate her phases fast enough so that you at least get back to add phase before your flask charges run out.

what do you all think of the "chance to avoid interruption from stuns while casting"?

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Tshekal wrote:

I dont see how my EHP is affected in any way if my manaregen can sustain incinerate spam + aa, so i dont lose mana while casting.

When you take hits, you lose mana, and regen it.
Higher cost of Incinerate sustain= less regen. Logically when you're not taking damage Apep's or no, you're gonna be mana neutral. Great, you can sustain Incinerate. Fact is you have slower mana regen after taking damage, and while casting Incinerate, with Apep's than without it. I'm not sure why you don't see this.
And Apep's doesn't scale with fireleech. At all.

Any ways, I don't have fire leech corruption on a Lazhwar. Nor do I think it's worth it vs 3 or 4 block. And I don't have perfectly itemized ES gloves with +2 block. And I don't think it's worth it to trade fire pen for life leech gem.
All this is why I said Apep's is not better. It may be slighly more dps, but it's more shuffling.
IF it is in fact better I take it back. It's a whole lot of trouble for very little result to me.

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mayainverse wrote:

at least how much tool tip dps with lmp incinerate would you need to do atziri phases fast enough? it seems with fight like her if you take too long you just run out of flask charges and are fucked you need to rotate her phases fast enough so that you at least get back to add phase before your flask charges run out.

what do you all think of the "chance to avoid interruption from stuns while casting"?

I started to farm Atziri with 5.2k tooltip with LMP using Herald and 5-link. Pretty fast. Each phase takes 4-5 sec. You gain back the flasks in add phase and never use portal. All instance and bosses takes 15 min.

For avoid interruption never used and never needed it so dunno

Congrats on the build, I had a shadow respec (went from ele buzzsaw) and had started with foxtactics rf arcer, I didnt particularly like it and didnt want another rf (already have a rf maruader) who couldnt do lots of map mods then I had come up with a tree similar to yours but I think incinerate is the last key of the puzzle for me, just need another 30 or so regrets:) Even with my unoptimized tree and attack speed on bandits the build feels good. Cheers fhark