I Cast Magic Missile! - Cantrip's guide to Ethereal Knives 2.0

Can you post a new beta tree? The tree just updated and I didn't get a chance to see your old build. What jewels are you using? Cast speed and spell damage?

Edit: any plans to integrate MoM with the new positioning?

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tolaziforname wrote:

Can you post a new beta tree? The tree just updated and I didn't get a chance to see your old build. What jewels are you using? Cast speed and spell damage?

Edit: any plans to integrate MoM with the new positioning?

New Tree:


I'm currently using 3 Jewels that have 7-8% Life + Cast Speed + Spell/Proj/Phy Damage, and one that has 4% Cast Speed + 30% Damage. Optimally, all 4 should have Life.

The MoM position might be worth trying out as it's just one point, but seeing as my spare mana is less than 100, I don't think my particular build will be using it. It would mean removing Herald of Thunder, at the very least (although now that it got a nerf, that's not SO bad).
I might replace the 2 Heralds with good old Haste, though.

Can't tell you DPS since my gear is being used by another char atm, but got to 40K on a "5L" Tabula +1 before the patch, using the 6L for Reduced Mana. I couldn't sustain the mana costs of a real 6L, and I have pretty decent gear (not that there's a truly amazing 6L for EK, there just isn't).
5L = EK / Faster Casting / Spell Echo / Added Fire / Empower.
6L = Phys to Light (if you spend a few points later on crit) / Life Leech (paranoid, lazy) / Proj. Speed (never bad) / Pierce (clear speed)... I'm using Reduced Mana, or Mana Leech. With Mana Leech, MoM does look more appealing.

Huh, so it seems with the Ranger's new Mana Passives, I *can* sustain a 6L with whatever I want. Using Faster Projectiles or Hypothermia for now, not using MoM.

DPS is 54K atm, at a range of more than a screen in any direction.
Reminding you, that's EK 22, not 26...

Thanks a bunch for the fast reply, I appreciate it!

Cantrip, as discussed:

EDIT - removed all other builds, this seems really nice:

http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgYAsNhFfKLZyBT1b2qMFr8DHiaVH0Fh4gYjVUu1SIw2bWzz6ud0Nj0qC-jWnapwUiLqBbVirGyMidPDOo2_cNUZipu1UUfUI13ylwZfsITF51Q31DBxDkjEospKJP3tP92oEZYN0d-Yu-Nvnv_eS3gHHn_GY0NiWv66nKSDCTpClS6TJ4cT8NVsC3cHSVGP-iL06_VtGWSdLYsI9PIdH8fAVCt4akMsnAVCES1BlnyDrrPQ9evuTLMy0Zrg0B8gbkVHRZ3v61AwwGa1BFNS214Es-QiogApT9Wm7DhrtzrYhXuCm4V9Jy9mVJBVGjgc3I8a

EDIT 2:
Saw you went scion, seems awesome:

http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgAAt9YIZ9tZkzotqL0nsZC-gBg8GFaDCfnob56Cx0GHnKTKSij6tz6HE1-wuJP-CncHm7Uc3Ni9wzqExevujxoi6hmKMtF8g5rg6NaXBkVHES1FnZsmBbXndMSiwGa1BCycU1IyAY2_bWzfmLvjBLPkIgVCshlRR9QjtUhiWv66ogApT9WmQZbPeudUMHEGI_Pq7Dhrt66z0PUk_d2oH0EqCzrYhXuCm4V9TLP_3kt4Ax5wUicvZlQgbjpCFr-J05BVUDAmlXDV215h4l3yVUsOSIw2EZYN0QceY0OVLvDVSVGP-uv1ZJ3yHTB8jX0j9k2S

However I do wonder how important Practical Application is for the build. Scion gives you more HP \ another jewel but you loose some nice nodes on the top side.

EDIT 3:
Without PCOC \ Charges:
http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgAAt9YIZ9tZkzotqL0nsZC-gBg8GFaDCfnob56Cx0GHnKTKSij6tz6HE1-wuJP-CncHm7Uc3Ni9wzqExevujxoi6hmKMtF8g5rg6NaXBvsJRUcRLUWdmyYFted0xKL22sBmtQQsnFNSMgGNv21s35i74xqPBLPkIgVCshlRR9QjtUhVhWJa_rqiABps1aZBls9651QwfD7PMHEGI_Pqpcs26dD1JP2Nfb3m3agfQSoLJKr_3iP2S3gDHnBSFm9NkjpCFr-J0_rS42omlXDVFy9h4l3yZOcksFVLDkhV1oCkjDYRlgcelS7w1UlRj_rr9WSd8h0=

All of those look viable. Personally, I always pick the one with more Life if the DPS loss isn't HUGE.
Don't go for Scion if you're Crit, though, that's for sure - you just lose too much crit and the power charge.

Did you consider an EB/MoM/ZO build like what Hege is doing? - I don't feel you need Crit to make it as EK, but if you're gonna do it, I like what he's doing (not sure it's better, but it's INTERESTING :D). No way you can maintain MoM with Mana Regen, but with EB/ZO it's viable.
It's a question of whether you prefer the Aura Power + MoM or Acrobatics and more Life (I tend to the latter, and forsake crit).

You're probably better off with Acrobatics and Vaal Grace instead of MoM, to be fair :D

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CantripN wrote:

All of those look viable. Personally, I always pick the one with more Life if the DPS loss isn't HUGE.
Don't go for Scion if you're Crit, though, that's for sure - you just lose too much crit and the power charge.

Did you consider an EB/MoM/ZO build like what Hege is doing? - I don't feel you need Crit to make it as EK, but if you're gonna do it, I like what he's doing (not sure it's better, but it's INTERESTING :D). No way you can maintain MoM with Mana Regen, but with EB/ZO it's viable.
It's a question of whether you prefer the Aura Power + MoM or Acrobatics and more Life (I tend to the latter, and forsake crit).

You're probably better off with Acrobatics and Vaal Grace instead of MoM, to be fair :D

His build concept is really great, but I also think acro is better.

Btw on crit and scion vs shadow I think Scion is probably better. Going scion you loose pratical application but you gain some other stats. Overall it seems really close though.

Curious how many aura nodes it would take to be able to run hatred\hoa\pol\pof. Or what combination of auras seem best, perhaps even the new AA...

And yeah, EK might not need crit, but it's allot more fun for sure.

Scion:
http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgAAt9YIZ9tZkzotqL0nsZC-gBg8GFaDCfnob56Cx0GHnKTKSij6tz6HE1-wuJP-CncHm7Uc3Ni9wzqExevujxoi6hmKMtF8g5rg6NaXBkVHES1FnZsmBbXndMSiwGa1BCycU1IyAY2_bWzfmLvjBLPkIgVCshlRR9QjtUhiWv66ogApT9WmQZbPeudUMHEGI_Pq7Dhrt66z0PUk_d2oH0EqCzrYhXuCm4V9TLP_3kt4Ax5wUicvZlQgbjpCFr-J05BVUDAmlXDV215h4l3yVUsOSIw2EZYN0QceY0OVLvDVSVGP-uv1ZJ3yHTB8jX0j9k2S

Shadow:
http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgYAsNii2cgU9W9qjBa_Ax4mlR9BYeIGI1VLtUiMNm1s8-rndDY9Kgvo1p2qcFIi6gW1bIyJ08M6jb9w1RmKm7VRR9QjXfKXBl-whMXnVDfUMHEOSMSiykok_e0_3agRlg3R35i742-e_95LeAcef8ZjQ2Ja_rqcpIMJOkKVLpMnhxPw1b6KbAt3B0lRj_qhLyL06_VtGWSdLYsI9PIdH8fAVCt4akMsnAVCES1BlnyDrrPQ9evuTLMc3DLRmuAgbgQHjxpFR0WdUDCD28BmtQRTUtteVcYEs-QiogApT9Wm7Dg62IV7gpsnL2ZUkFVrt4V9

Would be hard to find points for aura nodes without loosing crit and\or life.

That last point is exactly why Crit isn't usually EK's thing. That, Reflect, Mana Costs...

Small Beta update, 61K with level 23K using Blood Dance. 65K with Atziri's Boots, but mana costs start being overwhelming with the extra 18% Cast Speed.

Clarity really could use a slight un-nerf.

Update: 66K with Blood Dance +1 Frenzy Charges and a few Q upgrades on gems. Still waiting for EK to ding to 20/20. 5K Life, 12% Regen (8% after Blood Rage), Acro. Hopefully will reach the 20/20 gems before the wipe, and I'll surely post the gear before then.

Changes to consider:

http://cb.poedb.tw/us/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgAAt9YIZ9tZkzotqL0nsZC-gBg8GFaDCfnoRnFvnoLHQYfhiMpKKPq3Ph2qX7C4k4ha_gqbtRzcXsDYvfJFwzqExevujxo64SLqGYoy0Zrgplfo1pcG-wlFR0WdMZ4Fted0xKL22sBmtQRTUo2_bWy74xqPBLPkIlFH1CO1SFWF_rqiABps1aYwfDfUPs8wcQYjpcvwHzbpjX3tP73m3agfQWjyJKoj9kt4Ax58SxZvTZI6Qha_lnT60uNqJpUXL2HiZOcksFVLVdaApIw2myYyAQ==

Lose:

20 Int
20 Str
20% flask recharge
1% health increase
1.2% health regen
65% increased mana regen

Gain:

20% max mana increase
17% mana cost reduction /this is huge/
8% evasion
effectively 2 point, because Revenge of the Hunted is now 2 points away instead of 4

Basically calculate how much mana cost you get per sec atm, multiply by 0.83 to see new mana cost. Then consider if 65% increased mana regen is better then 20% max mana increase + the reductions. Don't forget the base mana regen increase from higher base mana pool :)

If you hover around 200mana/sec costs then 17% reduction will save you a whopping 34 mana/sec. Should be worth it.