First Invasion Atziri kills have occurred!

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Snookdog wrote:

It's about the less than 1% of player base. crème de la crème. top elitist. best of the best like nobody ever been. And they get best rewards from GGG.

Rest of us, the plebes, are stuck with this stale game that every scrub has access to.

Pretty much.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

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komlosi wrote:

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Sodomee wrote:

Morsexier and WillyWonka deserve more credit than Havoc.

^this.

Grats Mors. I'm really sad for Willy, I've been following his stream for a long time.

why? HvR was the first to get the legit kill, Mors was the first to seriously theorycraft selling Atziri kills. Why does Mors deserve more credit?

You keep saying that Havoc was joking about it and that Mors was the first one to seriously consider selling the kills. You must be some sort of mind reader or maybe just a Havoc fanboy.

Everything that Havoc has achieved has required little to no skill on his part. I'm not just shit talking him, I have reasons behind what I say.

First to 100 Standard: He got carried on a 10k HP triple curse build through 77 maps that were bought with RMTed exalts. This is a fact. He told his group he was going to continue playing and help them hit 100 as well. Oh how quickly he disappeared when he finally hit 100, leaving his "friends" on their own. This is a fact.

Level 100 Nemesis: He abused a burning miscreation CoD bug in order to rush to level 100 in a couple weeks. This is a fact.

First Invasion Atziri Kill: Used a BoR Aegis build with a friend to multi curse for him. Aegis is the most boring, brain dead build in the game. I know because I played one in Dom and couldn't stand playing such a boring build. You can see him running through lightning balls, among other things, taking no damage whatsoever. This is a fact.

As soon as he downs Atziri he begins to talk about selling the fight. You say he was joking, but hey aren't a lot of truths/confessions began as a joke to begin with? That is how some ease others into the idea.

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I don't see why you respect him so much. He doesn't really deserve much respect. Maybe you are right in saying that Mors was the first one to be serious about selling the fight. I can't say for sure and really neither can you.

What I can say, though, is that there was a lot more skill involved in Mors's and Wonka's kill attempts. This is obvious to anyone who has watched both videos. Havoc has already lost respect from most of the community because he is selfish and all he cares about is getting ahead any way he can. He should not be recognized as a skilled player.

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Gruentod wrote:

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Snookdog wrote:

It's about the less than 1% of player base. crème de la crème. top elitist. best of the best like nobody ever been. And they get best rewards from GGG.

Rest of us, the plebes, are stuck with this stale game that every scrub has access to.

Pretty much.

If you guys think this game is so stale, why support it and play it? Hell, why are you even complaining in this thread? Go play D3 if you don't like the game. Getting a MTX or not shouldn't be the deciding factor of whether or not the game is stale so you guys shouldn't even care about it.

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Sodomee wrote:

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Gruentod wrote:

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Snookdog wrote:

It's about the less than 1% of player base. crème de la crème. top elitist. best of the best like nobody ever been. And they get best rewards from GGG.

Rest of us, the plebes, are stuck with this stale game that every scrub has access to.

Pretty much.

If you guys think this game is so stale, why support it and play it? Hell, why are you even complaining in this thread? Go play D3 if you don't like the game. Getting a MTX or not shouldn't be the deciding factor of whether or not the game is stale so you guys shouldn't even care about it.

My post had some sarcasm mixed in. Is not stale for me since I still enjoy it and bother posting on forums. I don't, however, agree with some of GGG's decisions to give special rewards for 'best' players. And this time I dislike that there is a reward for cheesing a challenge. (trading, RMT-ing, all those shady things)

Basically we wanted to see 50 heroes that kill Atziri in Invasion-HC mode. Insteaad only 'hero' we got was Willy, followed by Mors. Havoc has no sesne of fairplay and consideration for fellow competitors so is better left ignored.

lmao sodomee.
not sure why your SC self is even taking part in HC discussion.
you're not a part of the HC community.
additionally, why are you cockhugging willy and mors so much?
how many level 100's do they have?...
how many world firsts do they have?...
they dont share anything in common.
I can respect willy, but not really mors. hes an oversized , over- aged baby.
the difference between havoc and mors is that one of them is successful.
why are you even bothering giving credit for an attempt? by your logic if i run in naked to atziri with no skill points and naked, I should get credit too - because my attempt is so much harder amiright?

and for your information. mors was planning on selling the kills. but at 40-50 exalts.
double what havoc was aiming for.
mors was also "lent" a koams in exchange for the kill, isnt that the same as trading items/ currency for a kill ?
and LOL aux was even offering a ST for a carry I overheard..so not sure why hes flaming ;)

havoc SHOULD be recognized by the community.and he is.for being a great player, arguably the best.You however are now known as just a big baby. gratz.

At the end of the day whether or not you agree with a companies choices they make doesnt matter. youre a nobody.by playing the game youre supporting them. if you really dont wannt support them, just quit.

-StaysmallNerdz

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Snookdog wrote:

My post had some sarcasm mixed in. Is not stale for me since I still enjoy it and bother posting on forums. I don't, however, agree with some of GGG's decisions to give special rewards for 'best' players. And this time I dislike that there is a reward for cheesing a challenge. (trading, RMT-ing, all those shady things)

Basically we wanted to see 50 heroes that kill Atziri in Invasion-HC mode. Insteaad only 'hero' we got was Willy, followed by Mors. Havoc has no sesne of fairplay and consideration for fellow competitors so is better left ignored.

Ahh, thats my bad then. I didn't know you were being sarcastic. I guess we mostly feel the same way.

@asthetikz

not cockhugging

just stating facts

You guys just talk and talk about how much skill it requires to play HC. Most people on Hardcore stack defenses to the roof so they can go full-retard when playing the game. I'd rather die and learn from my mistakes and get better at playing my build.

There is no skill in playing an Aegis build. I realized this last season and got so bored really fast. 90% of HC builds are yawnfests. Stack defense till the game is faceroll and even then farm content that is under your character level.

You know what we do in SC? We do content that is 2-4 levels higher than our characters when leveling up. It is called a challenge, plus it is funny as shit when your friend dies. I still build defensively and I theorycraft all my own builds because all I play is melee. At the same time I try to build a fun character. HC is all about number crunching and overly stacking defenses; boring as fuck. Oh and I'm referring to the players who actually make it past 85, not the casuals that reroll constantly. I play the game to make my character stronger and watch it progress and overcome its weaknesses, not to faceroll everything with overly high defenses and boring dps/clearspeed.

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Sodomee wrote:

Mathil proved that you don't need to spend that much on gear. You need a 5L and a decent weapon for damage. The biggest factor is your build.

And 3 deaths with his build.

I think any build has a high risk of death, his actually more than others.

Everyone on Ambush dies though. It isn't Hardcore.

What I'm saying is that it doesn't require wealth to kill her. On Invasion, that is a different story.

Regardless, it is pretty messed up that Havoc is selling kills on Invasion. Do you not agree?

Why is this messed up? Unless a player is completely self found, they have absolutely zero right to complain about this. If you traded for gear than you also bought your victories. Please note that any RMT is a different issue entirely. Finding rhe right gear is just as much a challenge if not more so than beating any act bosses.

A self found solo hardcore league would really show who's who. (which isn't to say these Atziri kills aren't a worthy acconplishment for some players).

Next time they make an event like this it needs to be stated that selling kills is not allowed. It really kills the entire point of hosting a competition in the first place if you can just pay for it.

A few people earned this legitimately while others quite literally paid for the kill, while it could or could not be directly associated to RMT. The fact that buying what you cant do is a legit "strategy" is stupid.

Talk about ruining the spirit of competition, losing all meaning behind a prestigious micro-transaction and achievement.

Im very disappointed that GGG allowed this.

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Mathil wrote:

I'd like to address a few things after reading through most of this.

First of all I don't know why so many people since my kill have said "he died 3 times who cares". I didn't practice shit on standard and if I really wanted a death free kill I would have hopped on my standard char with a full free respec, amazing gear and tried it a bunch first, as you would expect every invasion player to do (and did). Not only that but because I play on Ambush I choose not to alt f4 the bad situations. I watch Invasion players do it all day long where that would technically be a death.

As for saying you can hardly blame people for selling, please. It's about the character of the person, I turned down several offers to have it done for people immediately after. I specifically did not sell kills after doing my own because I saw this as a challenge for the first 50 capable players to achieve. I did not want to cheat a bunch of people that were close, about to learn the fight or planning to. Besides that I just completed what was the top realistic challenge, what do I need 200 exalts for, to jerk to?

I feel bad for many Invasion players now. Some that did it legit will have their MTX feel cheapened because many that simply bought it stand as their equals. Others will miss out on the top 50 because it became full before they got there.

Lastly given this is Invasion, some will have a very large unnatural advantage now. Even if they die they will have made enough currency to rebuild their character 10 times over. The rest of the league's competition is somewhat tainted because of this.

But yea, lolit'sjustanMTXwhocares. It's somewhat more because it was one you could earn and was limited.

Fantastic. Absolutely fantastic.

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DalaiLama wrote:

Why is this messed up? Unless a player is completely self found, they have absolutely zero right to complain about this. If you traded for gear than you also bought your victories. Please note that any RMT is a different issue entirely. Finding rhe right gear is just as much a challenge if not more so than beating any act bosses.

A self found solo hardcore league would really show who's who. (which isn't to say these Atziri kills aren't a worthy acconplishment for some players).

If you watched the videos on the fight, you will see that even with good gear you can't just completely faceroll the apex.

Also, I don't see how making anything selffound requires more skill. It is completely at the whim of RNG if you play self found. At least if you trade, you can get good deals even if you are RNG screwed on currency or gear. You can play ST and find nothing but godly wands, bows, and caster weapons. Meanwhile, another ST guy can find godly melee weapons for his ST build. This leaves nothing to skill, only to chance.


Also fix the quote please. It looks like I said something i didnt say in the first quote, thanks.