[2.2] Fyndel´s LL BM or Mana Spectralthrow - UPDATED FOR ASCENDANCY

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KiPad wrote:

What allows us to drop accuracy on the second ring now? Btw I have it ofc

From the shadows wheel gives tons and tons of accuracy...

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turtleken wrote:

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Alexlulz wrote:

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Slaynerz wrote:

Fyndel, can you link build for scion 1.3 pls?

https://poebuilder.com/character/AAAAAgAAsZAtqNtZt9aDCR2q4YhGcQ186rq0DMaeEH8MfYLHKPpXyXcHhxOcpG-eGo_22vsJGYqbtcM6ykoFfen-LVXQCWXxIQMi6r46EHvbGud06Nb_3iT951RRR42_BbVwUioL8-q1SG1sXfJw1YnTfeMs4axmuT7YdkcG8uFjQw5I29SQGxGWmhNwVi9v2RNwu-wYf8bBxVAwTLMtH5UgwfOio2TnFy_60h0Uj0ZV1oCkQqMksKyY99ebocNtXGuESBEP214RUDW5HU-nK20ZS64bJdlb34rpArjKO3wPxFyKES_rY5maS8QnqQ==

You missed ghost reaver...

I think you meant this

https://poebuilder.com/character/AAAAAgAAsZAtqNtZt9aDCR2q4YhGcQ186rq0DMaeEH8MfYLHKPpXyXcHhxOcpG-eGo_22vsJGYqbtcM6ykoFfen-LVXQCWXxIQMi6r46EHvbGud06Nb_3iT951RRR42_BbVwUioL8-q1SG1sXfJw1YnTfeMs4axmuT7YdkcG8uFjQw5I29SQGxGWmhNwVi9v2RNwu-wYf8bBxVAwTLMtH5UgwfOio2TnFy_60h0Uj0ZV1oCkQqMksKyY99ebocNtXGuESBEP214RUDW5HU-nK20ZS64bJdlb34rpArjKO3wPxFyKES_rY5maS8QnqV9q2-c=

Don't think i would take the starter witch node with scion.. especially after nerf

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Andrew676 wrote:

BM nerf from 60 > 50% BM conviction ?
it's big problem for u ?
your ST BM build is down ?

two days left! and we'll see what the best build. :D

atm i use 5 auras + 3 heralds with blood magic
after the patch you will be able to use 5 auras + just 1 herald

so why wasting 20 points to get BM for just 1 herald?

in the new patch, my mana version will lose 3 heralds ( 25-30% dps ), 100%crit multiplier ( gem+tree), about 120% crit chance compared to my current blood magic :(

basically a 50%dps nerf

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You missed ghost reaver...

I think you meant this

https://poebuilder.com/character/AAAAAgAAsZAtqNtZt9aDCR2q4YhGcQ186rq0DMaeEH8MfYLHKPpXyXcHhxOcpG-eGo_22vsJGYqbtcM6ykoFfen-LVXQCWXxIQMi6r46EHvbGud06Nb_3iT951RRR42_BbVwUioL8-q1SG1sXfJw1YnTfeMs4axmuT7YdkcG8uFjQw5I29SQGxGWmhNwVi9v2RNwu-wYf8bBxVAwTLMtH5UgwfOio2TnFy_60h0Uj0ZV1oCkQqMksKyY99ebocNtXGuESBEP214RUDW5HU-nK20ZS64bJdlb34rpArjKO3wPxFyKES_rY5maS8QnqV9q2-c=

Don't think i would take the starter witch node with scion.. especially after nerf[/quote]ye xD was a 116 build somehow didnt take it

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turtleken wrote:

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KiPad wrote:

What allows us to drop accuracy on the second ring now? Btw I have it ofc

From the shadows wheel gives tons and tons of accuracy...

exactly its insane how much accuracy thouse nodes will give us btw if you wanna be even richer craft a legacy tri res shield its gonna be the only shield viable for this build in 1.3 and nobody has one (legacy)

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InAshesTheyShallReap wrote:

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Andrew676 wrote:

BM nerf from 60 > 50% BM conviction ?
it's big problem for u ?
your ST BM build is down ?

two days left! and we'll see what the best build. :D

atm i use 5 auras + 3 heralds with blood magic
after the patch you will be able to use 5 auras + just 1 herald

so why wasting 20 points to get BM for just 1 herald?

in the new patch, my mana version will lose 3 heralds ( 25-30% dps ), 100%crit multiplier ( gem+tree), about 120% crit chance compared to my current blood magic :(

basically a 50%dps nerf

hm strange i compared this tree and the new 1.3 mana with paws build and for me its like this

gain :
43% increased energyshield
60% increased accuracy rating
60% spell dmg
16% ele dmg
6% attack speed
41% increased phys dmg
8% allres

loose:
5% crit chance
12% crit multi
20% increased aura effect ( gonna be less bad cause we have +1lvl in 1 more 60% aura then before)
5% effect buffs
Haste+Herald of ice auras
swap rainbows with lioneys paws
20% proj speed
15% proj dmg

to me this isnt a big nerf if at all its gonna be equal if not better

What hurts most is obviously the loss of movespeed. Even with whirling blades you sometimes walk around and its really annoying to walk so slow.

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Alexlulz wrote:

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InAshesTheyShallReap wrote:

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Andrew676 wrote:

BM nerf from 60 > 50% BM conviction ?
it's big problem for u ?
your ST BM build is down ?

two days left! and we'll see what the best build. :D

atm i use 5 auras + 3 heralds with blood magic
after the patch you will be able to use 5 auras + just 1 herald

so why wasting 20 points to get BM for just 1 herald?

in the new patch, my mana version will lose 3 heralds ( 25-30% dps ), 100%crit multiplier ( gem+tree), about 120% crit chance compared to my current blood magic :(

basically a 50%dps nerf

hm strange i compared this tree

Spoiler

http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgMBDH0NfA48DkgQfxEvEVARlhRxFy8ZLhmKGo8bJRzcHRQdTx2qJLAk4SW8Jwsn7Sj6Kwos4S0fLYMvbzBUNbk2uj0-P5tCo0ZxRwZLrlXWV8lZ81yKXfJfamNDZOdmnm0ZbpdvnnBScFZwu3DVcql9435Zf8aApIIQgseDCYO2htGJ049GkBuQVZJ9kyeVIJcGmG-aE5u1n8uio6cIpyusZqyqtAy297iTuT7AGsHFwfPDOsSixp7KSth22RPZW9rd29Tb59wj34rfsN-_4Yjlz-kC6hjquuvu7BjynPLh9tr3Mve--Ov56PrS-wn7RQ==

and the new 1.3 mana with paws build

Spoiler

https://poebuilder.com/character/AAAAAgMA34rZWxslS67pAm0ZRKuPpoIQ37AsnFWuNbkRUKcrHU9QMEyzLR-ApFXWZOcXL_rSHRSPRpuh99esmBEP215Co8NtXGuESFyKwfOVILjKO3wPxKKjJ6l_xi9v2RNwu-wYwcURlnBWkBuaE9vU8uFjQw5IfeMs4axmuT7YdkcGX2rb5xEvKwq2913yKgtwUonTcNW1SPPq6NbndG1s_94k_edUUUeNvwW1S8QhAyLqBX3p_i1V0All8b46EHvbGncHhxOcpG-eykrDOpu1HarhiEZxgwlXyQ186rq0DMaeEH8MfYLHKPr22vsJGYoajw==

and for me its like this

gain :
43% increased energyshield
60% increased accuracy rating
60% spell dmg
16% ele dmg
6% attack speed
41% increased phys dmg
8% allres

lose:
5% crit chance
12% crit multi
20% increased aura effect ( gonna be less bad cause we have +1lvl in 1 more 60% aura then before)
5% effect buffs
Haste+Herald of ice auras
swap rainbows with lioneys paws
20% proj speed
15% proj dmg

to me this isnt a big nerf if at all its gonna be equal if not better

probably because you are comparing 1.2 mana for 1.3 mana build
i dont use coe and spell dmg shield, my dps atm is 45k gmp with iiq gem and many points wasted into mf flask effect and attack speed to keep divination distillate actived at least 80-90% of the time clearing a map

1.2

http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgIAr-vn6vkzlwbEoi2Du-MZiv66m7X7CX11wzr22tN-ykoaj2-egwlGcbQM4YjqupMnHaoNfBzcV8l_xij6wcURlqKj6-6Cx-wYDkiQG8HzuJMMfXC7Y0Nd8nBWlSBciqcIEH_ZE_Lhtvdw1ZoTLR_YJI9Gxp4vb0cGKwqJ09vUTLMdTx0U2-fYdhEvcFJFflAwNbn60l9quT5W9Q5cpytmnhcvrGbbbmr6wBpk54bRLOGX0JBVWfNV1iSwfeOOiqyqmG-ApHKpkn33MuXP6hj46xRxDjzfv0KjJbwnC4O2MFQ9PtwjP5s=

+260%crit chance with 1 hand melee weapon
+190%crit chance with daggers
+70%crit chance
total 520%crit chance
35%crit multiplier
86%crit multiplier with daggers
15%crit multiplier with 1 hand
total 126%crit multiplier
+51%total attack speed
+20%accuracy
15%projectile damage
+142%phys dmg

1.3

http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgIAr-sB0aJA9PihIsSilwa74y2D_roZin11m7X7CdN-IurDOvbaIQPo1spKGo9LxM3q53RvnmXx2xqcpIMJ0AkQe4cTRnEtVb46dwe0DOGI6f6TJ-q6HaoFfRzcDXx_xlfJJ6kRlsHFoqMo-g5IkBvsGMHz6-6Cx13yY0NwVnC7XIqVILiTDH1w1bb38uGaE9kTLR-nCBB_idMrCkcG29Qvb0yzFVCPRsaecFIRL9h29vzb51AwRX4dFCoLuT6nNF9qDlz60vPqrGZq-hcvtUgs4WTnJLAGI33jVdZCox9BgKQDHha_62M=

+185%crit chance
+230%crit chance with daggers
total 415%crit chance
+60%crit multiplier with daggers
+38%crit multiplier
total +98%crit multiplier
+60%total accuracy
+75%projectile damage
+50%total attack speed
+129%physical dmg with daggers

i lose 105%crit chance, 28%crit multiplier, 13%phys dmg, 3 heralds
i gain 60% projectile damage, 40% accuracy


obviously the blood magic build is nerfed more than the mana build because it was superior in the 1.2 patch, and i did not count the incoming nerf to crit dmg gem, i heard from +150%multiplier to 75% multiplier or so

105%crit chance 28%crit multiplier, 3 heralds and 75%crit dmg from the gem, it's a 50% dps loss, let's add 10% with 60%projectile dmg.. it's a 40%dps loss by my side

and my gear is all mirrored with mf+iiq gem, so i cant improve it in any way :( if not drop the mf helm for coe+spell dmg shield
btw i use grace and not hatred, without grace and with unwavering stance, i would oneshot myself vs reflect mobs when using 250es 20iiq 31mf gloves :)

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obviously the blood magic build is nerfed more than the mana build because it was superior in the 1.2 patch, and i did not count the incoming nerf to crit dmg gem, i heard from +150%multiplier to 75% multiplier or so

105%crit chance 28%crit multiplier, 3 heralds and 75%crit dmg from the gem, it's a 50% dps loss, let's add 10% with 60%projectile dmg.. it's a 40%dps loss by my side

and my gear is all mirrored with mf+iiq gem, so i cant improve it in any way :( if not drop the mf helm for coe+spell dmg shield
btw i use grace and not hatred, without grace and with unwavering stance, i would oneshot myself vs reflect mobs when using 250es 20iiq 31mf gloves :)

hm i see what you mean but i dont see why you would post in this thread you are getting 50% dps nerf it just confuses people who dont play MF ST your playing a complete diffrent build then I or 90% of the others are playing your just using the same gem+idea next time just PM me or dont comment at all it rly confuses people who dont know what your are doing

So is this still viable if i use vaal pact?

ANd should i switch to scion if i decide vaal pact? or just route to it in witch.