Avatar of lightning/ avatar of cold implementation

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Avatar of Chaos would work, though. :)

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Mark_GGG wrote:

If Avatar of Lightning and/or Cold are added, they will not work the same as Avatar of Fire.
Part of the reason for the "Deal no non-fire damage" on Avatar of Fire's current design was that it left open the possibility of having Avatars of other elements in the far future without them being overpowered in combination, since each of them would have the same drawback (can't deal damage not of that element), but would give a different benefit suited to their element and it's attribute alignment.

The converting everything to fire doesn't work for other elements for the reasons already stated in the thread.

Mark i believe the way to prevent people from gaining multiple avatars would be to link passives behind them making the fire 1st then the cold ect, having them overwright the previous or rewarding it to some extent, i hope this makes sense.

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Mark_GGG wrote:

If Avatar of Lightning and/or Cold are added, they will not work the same as Avatar of Fire.
Part of the reason for the "Deal no non-fire damage" on Avatar of Fire's current design was that it left open the possibility of having Avatars of other elements in the far future without them being overpowered in combination, since each of them would have the same drawback (can't deal damage not of that element), but would give a different benefit suited to their element and it's attribute alignment.

The converting everything to fire doesn't work for other elements for the reasons already stated in the thread.

Is it possible to block out the other avatar once one of the element is chosen. Because fire is op right now and only benefits them in term of resist and dps. Imagine rf n full fledge fire dmg n ignite without having to worry about the ele reflect because u just have to focus on maximizing fire resist.

Another alternative is to remove avatar of fire from skill tree and the only way to get them is from quest restricting them of choosing more element avatar

Even though there are combat-logic reasons why AoF has to work the way it does (and other potential Avatars can't override it) I still think the current version is good for flavor and balance reasons as well. For there to be an advantage in converting your physical damage to fire damage at a loss, you have to be able to synergize with ignite. Because ignite is based on damage-per-hit, being able to lump up multiple sources of physical and elemental damage helps to get stronger ignites.


That said, I think the current version of the keystone is pretty weak. The only builds I've even seen attempted have been builds that have a means of converting the remainder, as with Ice Spear, Blackgleam Burning Arrow, and Infernal Blow. The penalty is a little too severe for the 4/3 burn to be worth it, considering the nerfs to WED and tree weapon elemental damage, as well as all the supports and scaling necessary to trigger ignites in the first place. I think it might be better if AoF gave the Soul Taker and Voltaxic property where a different type of damage (either all or just physical) can burn, possibly with some chance to ignite nodes beyond the keystone to help out non-crit builds.

In other words, other Avatars wouldn't be conversion like Avatar of Fire is. For example:
Avatar of Cold
50% of Physical Damage taken as Cold Damage
Removes Cold Resistance
100% more Movement, Attack, and Cast speed while Chilled
Invulnerable while Frozen

What about adding a new debuff/effects available to one of those avatar?

Avatar of ice: Shattering a monster leaves frozen ground at the location of the shattering. Patches of frost increases damage taken by 20%.


Avatar of lightning: Lightning damage arcs to nearby enemies dealing x% of the initial hit.