Further Update to Map-only Uniques

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fatelessguy wrote:

Can some1 explain me what's the idea of running bosses like piety or merveil, when u r lvl 80 or more u get 0 exp, just for loot? So, basically, i have a choice between more challenge at maps with less good loot, but exp, and good loot runs, not all together? That's... very frustrating. Or am i misunderstanding it? What is, actually, fun of just running at bosses u can easily faceroll with a decent gear at lvl 80+?

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Kamro wrote:

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fatelessguy wrote:

Can some1 explain me what's the idea of running bosses like piety or merveil, when u r lvl 80 or more u get 0 exp, just for loot? So, basically, i have a choice between more challenge at maps with less good loot, but exp, and good loot runs, not all together? That's... very frustrating. Or am i misunderstanding it? What is, actually, fun of just running at bosses u can easily faceroll with a decent gear at lvl 80+?

As a solo player you will most likely have to do this incase you dont wanna run white 69 maps , rolling maps is very costly and the chances of going up are still slim.

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fatelessguy wrote:

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Kamro wrote:

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fatelessguy wrote:

Can some1 explain me what's the idea of running bosses like piety or merveil, when u r lvl 80 or more u get 0 exp, just for loot? So, basically, i have a choice between more challenge at maps with less good loot, but exp, and good loot runs, not all together? That's... very frustrating. Or am i misunderstanding it? What is, actually, fun of just running at bosses u can easily faceroll with a decent gear at lvl 80+?

As a solo player you will most likely have to do this incase you dont wanna run white 69 maps , rolling maps is very costly and the chances of going up are still slim.

i'm not playing for too long, but now with my lvl 80 shadow i'm running lvl 68-70 maps, i wish i could have more 70 maps or 70+ maps later, but they drop very very rare :( I can't see why, what's the politics? All i want is grinding "random" maps of the level i can, and now i'm at the point, when 68-69 maps are too easy for me, but i have never seen higher lvls and the prices on them are too high. So, basically, i am forced to faceroll bosses i can kill easily now for loot without exp or i am forced to faceroll 68 lvl maps (12 lvls lower than me) for 2-3 percent of exp for run with worse than boss runs loot (that kinda killed my mind :o)
What's the whole point? When i saw this info, i was like "It's an awesome game, but wow.. Is it like, over?" Can some1 explain me please what's the whole point of this? Why wouldn't i have 72+ map drops as a 80 more often so i can progress and feel better? And get the loot of higher lvl on higher lvl maps :o

Don't get me wrong, i'm ready to run a map for a percent or even half a percent or such at higher lvls, but i want it to be more challengind and rewarding (let's say at lvl 80 i can choose to go at lvl 77-78 map for higher challenge and loot, or i can choose to run, for example, lvl 72-76 map for a little bit easier run, still not "facerolling", and reward chances must be equal to the challenge.) For now, i'm like so done :o i thought i'm just unlucky with those maps..

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FlyPark wrote:

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fatelessguy wrote:

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Kamro wrote:

As a solo player you will most likely have to do this incase you dont wanna run white 69 maps , rolling maps is very costly and the chances of going up are still slim.

i'm not playing for too long, but now with my lvl 80 shadow i'm running lvl 68-70 maps, i wish i could have more 70 maps or 70+ maps later, but they drop very very rare :( I can't see why, what's the politics? All i want is grinding "random" maps of the level i can, and now i'm at the point, when 68-69 maps are too easy for me, but i have never seen higher lvls and the prices on them are too high. So, basically, i am forced to faceroll bosses i can kill easily now for loot without exp or i am forced to faceroll 68 lvl maps (12 lvls lower than me) for 2-3 percent of exp for run with worse than boss runs loot (that kinda killed my mind :o)
What's the whole point? When i saw this info, i was like "It's an awesome game, but wow.. Is it like, over?" Can some1 explain me please what's the whole point of this? Why wouldn't i have 72+ map drops as a 80 more often so i can progress and feel better? And get the loot of higher lvl on higher lvl maps :o

Don't get me wrong, i'm ready to run a map for a percent or even half a percent or such at higher lvls, but i want it to be more challengind and rewarding (let's say at lvl 80 i can choose to go at lvl 77-78 map for higher challenge and loot, or i can choose to run, for example, lvl 72-76 map for a little bit easier run, still not "facerolling", and reward chances must be equal to the challenge.) For now, i'm like so done :o i thought i'm just unlucky with those maps..

Your conditions are exactly happened on me, I never got a map higher than 72,little chance got 71、72map, many times finished a 70map with nothing got but 0.5%EXP. This condition make it's very hard to get my level86 upgrade to level87.

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KentaK wrote:

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Roleplayer wrote:

Didn't have a chance to reply to last thread, so might as well be here, since obviously devs are listening.
Gating uniques by map system is actually pretty good encouragement to participate in that part of the game. I just think that numbers needed a little bit of crunching. Restricting many drops to the only highest maps in game (and to rare/unique monsters at highest maps is shaky in my opinion). Something more reasonable like 68-70 maps for most of them, 66+ for some of them and maybe 71+ for the really best one or two) would make more sense and not incite that much anger. With some effort you should be able to go into 70 maps even if you are solo and selffound, so it should be ok.
Other than that, we play PvE mostly for that sense of legendary epic lewt (I guess) =) It's up to you to balance it that the reward is there, but also feels like it's a reward. You've tried one extreme, see where it went. But don't just bend over and go another extreme as it is not great at all either. Noone wants everyone to have 10x Kaom's each, that is for sure.

+1 couldn't have said it better.

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Anelit wrote:

A slippery slope, GGG has now verified that excessive whining works in changing there core game design.

This will feed the "nerf everything" crowd even more.

Thing is it never stops, when GGG nerfs something it takes 0,1 sec for the crowd to point out the next thing thats so "unfair" and casual (baddy) hostile.

Before you know it this game's one redeeming feature, it fulfilling a niche of beeing hostile and unforgiving will disappear and we are left with some standard game.

Players should never realistically reach BiS items or level 100, reaching those goals is by far the biggest reason to get bored and quit.

GGG needs to protect the whining croud from what they think they want...
easy items and progress...

They will never ever stop demanding it, not realizing what they themselfes want would actually worsen the gameplay experience.

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nikoon wrote:

my life to play hard maps?

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nikoon wrote:

my play hard

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nikoon wrote:

my hard