Charge Flask

Just adding more damage is a bit of a boring effect. You could make it more interesting by changing it to be based on putting a support gem in the socket: then the effect would be 'your skills are supported by the socketed gem'. That makes more sense lore-wise (it's like your being is infused with the essence of that support), and it opens up far more complex possibilities than a simple damage increase. There are still issues with skills you only use occasionally though, such as summons.

Accidental double post, sorry.

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Deathstar2x wrote:

Flasks do have effects by itself. Granite and Jade Flasks, for example.

You are using the gem's power to give yourself an effect that powers the gem. That would mean the gem's power is giving an effect that powers itself, which means that the flask substance is the catalyst. Sure, it does kind of make sense, but it just ends up being so unnecessarily convoluted.

I'd reckon most people would assume the gem is put inside the flask to gain its power since the flask amplifies the damage of the gem. That's how it appears via Occam's Razor. Not having flavor text doesn't help either. :( I think a flask with a gem inside should be something like this: Flask does X. Gem's power causes increased effects of X. Flask may also gain a small proportion of abilities related to what the gem does.

I must have explained poorly. I mean that one would assume if the flask is the source of power as you suggested previously, and not the gems inside of it, then the flask without gems would have a powerful effect. I don't think that appears to be the case in the OP.

OPs idea seems more in the vain of a long cooldown attack or ultimate skill, which is interesting in its own right compared to a crit or damage flask.

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Incompetent wrote:

Just adding more damage is a bit of a boring effect. You could make it more interesting by changing it to be based on putting a support gem in the socket: then the effect would be 'your skills are supported by the socketed gem'. That makes more sense lore-wise (it's like your being is infused with the essence of that support), and it opens up far more complex possibilities than a simple damage increase. There are still issues with skills you only use occasionally though, such as summons.

Seems like there's a lot of potential with the concept.

Indeed, it's intended to be a "Nuke" flask.

I wouldn't mind if there was a sister flask which buffed you instead. The possibilities are there.

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Deathstar2x wrote:

Note that non-unique items cannot contain flavor text. It really does have to depend on its 1) appearance, 2) name and 3) its effect(s).

Edit: That backstory would work, but that means it would have to be an unique item and not a normal item.

I'd hate this to become a unique item. It'd be a waste if only a minority of the playerbase ever got access. Unique versions of this flask of course could have "Gems in this item are supported by level 18 Increased Area of Effect" and stuff like that.

non-unique flasks don't have flavor text, but they do have descriptive text (the grey text at the bottom). You don't need a heavy lore explanation, and you can use the name of the flask to further illustrate the flask's function.

If the flask was named "Vengeance Flask", then it might help get the point across that you are unleashing the vengeful souls of fallen enemies.

The flask's description can be "Right click to drink" as it always is, instead of "Right click to activate skill" as I illustrated in the OP. This would ease up on lore confusion. Could also be both, "Right click to drink and activate skill". In addition, the skill could also appear in your skill bar (greyed out if flask doesn't have full charges). So you could use it from either the skill bar or your flask hotkey.

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Novalisk wrote:

You want suggest for such flask,right?! If so..then this terrible idea really,because make game too unbalanced and boring!.But if your idea such flask not 1000% ,a max 5% then maybe its OK.:)

Just some math to clear things up:

Let's assume a player's attack does 1000 damage.

He also attacks twice per second, so 2000 DPS. He also uses 4 support gems, each increasing his DPS by 35% on average.

2000*1.35*1.35*1.35*1.35=6.6k DPS

Positioning yourself and changing attacks should take about 0.5 seconds, so the attack would deal 11000 damage in 1 second. 1.66 DPS increase for one second requiring 100 flask charges. Far from OP.

But since this'll all be done in 1 attack, it would feel pretty damn epic and could help when kiting mobs when you can't just stand and DPS em to death.

You're missing the biggest reason why this won't fly:



I like the idea, in general. The skill can only be used by activating the flask, and only when it is full. It can't be supported, and the values can be tuned, and a support could be part of the Magic version of it, etc etc, but it breaks the rule I mentioned above.

Could you explain why this is such a hard rule? Has GGG stated this somewhere?

Don't items like Soul Mantle and Thunderfist also circumvent this "rule"?

I don't think it is a hardrule at all. Chris has teased about adding sockets to jewelry and belts in the past. They're certainly open to the idea.

i just don't like it... it feels strange...

edit: and wrong...