Now that Diablo 3 is dead, will POE deliver?
" Of course the PvP in D3 is going to suck. However, it is still a huge fail that their sucky pvp system is sooo slow to be released. It seems that adding parapieceofshitgon levels and nerfing the crap out of everything has prevented them in releasing pvp. But sure, when the PvP is released, its going to suck soo horribly. Here are some reasons why: 1: Gold vs Gold only Since everything about D3 is decided by gear, and all gear is decided by gold OR real money, it is going to feel like farmers vs farmers, and not players vs players. 2: No tactics or real "builds" In D3 you just set the best of all skills possible. This means that the best players are going to use the exact same skills. Its also boring since PvP is much more fun if you encounter players who uses wierd tactics/build, or if you are making a wierd pvp build yourself. Finding the items to that build is also 24534523 times more fun in PoE that it is in D3, since you dont even "find" these items in D3. You just use the BORING Auction House, with the BORING and horrible items that are there, and these items might be farmed by bots, or bought by bots. 3: Why is it called Team Deathmatch from Call of Duty?.... make a better name please, cuz thats just stupid. 4: Since shit is getting nerfed or buffed all the time, its pretty hard to figure out what is the best of the best skills. 5: No summoner build... this one is mainly for people who loves summoner builds. Since the Witch Doctor minions are boring, crappy, and not viable at all, you cant play as a summoner only witch doctor in PvP. This one is more personal to me, but i quess some other summoner freaks would agree with this one. |
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@Fireskull
1. I think you're a bit naive if you think there is any way to really prevent this. If there wouldn't be an AH, people would buy stuff from 3rd party sites and the fact that most of the character strength in an aRPG comes from gear rather than player skills is also a known fact. 2. Well I agree that the skill system in Diablo 3 is pretty shitty but most of the time you will encounter the best PvP build of a class anyway, because that's what most people do, making the strongest build. ;) 3. You think that "team deathmatch" comes from Call of Duty? Wu..ah... I don't even... 4. That argument is really weak / not really an argument. Stuff obviously needs to get balanced and I think it's rather bad if there would be a clear "best skill". Also if you don't like re-rolling (pvp-)characters, thanks to the D3 skill..."system" you won't have to. 5. Hm I agree.. loved the Necro in D2, but summoner builds always sucked in PvP, so this is more of a PvE concern. Last edited by Asphael#3027 on Nov 7, 2012, 11:35:14 AM
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" 1: The problem is that Blizzard supports it in D3, unlike D2. Top 10 threads on D3 website has a bot that spams 3rd party stuff, or just spams about buying gold online. 2: The problem is that you will ONLY encounter "best builds". Same thing over and over. 3: Wutever... they could have used a better name for sure. 4: There are best skills in D3, even though they have been nerfing all the time. Re-rolling does not belong to a diablo game. 5: In Path of Exile summoners are pretty good in PvP. |
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D3 is far from dead, thanks to merchandising on it together with other Blizzard games, such as D1 and D2, WoW, Warcraft Series, Starcraft Series, and even those non-Blizzard Games such as DotA 2, LoL, HoN, there're such niches that won't be dead anyway.
PoE is the first game produced by GGG, while D3 isn't Blizzard first game, and that is an important factor why D3 isn't dead. |
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" I hope you know that Blizzard North are ones who should get the most credit for D1 and D2. In that way D3 is Blizzards first diablo game. |
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Sincerely, I'm worried PoE will tank because of the current loot allocation system. Ex-D3 players will come in in droves at open beta and play the content a few times, but will be turned off really bad from multiplayer because of the loot system and how negatively it impacts their gameplay compared to what they're used to.
For a lot of players, fun multiplayer makes a game, and is the main reason in the F2P model to pay for cosmetic upgrades. Right now the loot system creates the following problems: 1- Screen clutter in large parties, can't see shit because of abundance of items on screen + special effects of 6 player using their skills 2- Having to stop fighting to get your loot. 3- Having to stop fighting to hover around the alchemy orb of your ally until timer runs out in case he don't see it. 4- Getting killed by boss before he dies, your team picks up all the loot while you res and you don't get anything Some people like it, the masochist kind (IMHO). Most regular/casuals gamer, the ones with the biggest wallets that can keep GGG afloat, don't. That's why I'm worried. Last edited by Thalandor#0885 on Nov 7, 2012, 1:36:46 PM
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Circle jerk!
D3 still has a lot of potential, don't forget D2 wasn't the game we all love straight out the gates. Wipes rose tinted specs** POE has arguably more potential but it's certainly not there yet, which is something both games have in common. D3/Blizz already made it's money...POE is yet to run the gauntlet. D3 maybe dead to you but it still has more players than this game will ever see. |
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" And these players will be bored to death when they figure out that D3 is all about farming/auction house so that Blizzard can get more money. Then they will get mad and write how shitty D3 is. You know, the first post i made on this forum was actually about a few things that i liked in D3, but that got trolled instantly, and NOW I UNDERSTAND why. There is no reason to write about pros in D3, because D3 is simply not a game because of bots and RMAH. Also GAH needs to be removed because it ruins the gameplay, at least if we are talking about a REAL diablo game, and botters might still abuse GAH. Even if these things that prevents D3 from being an actual game were removed, it would still be a very shitty game, but at least it would be an actual game. Right now D3 is just one big money machine for botters and asian farmers. This is supported by Blizzard. |
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" Given I was in the closed beta and spent *countless* hours as a level-and-skill-restricted barbarian in the Cold Plains during the stress test...I think D2 was the game I loved straight out of the gates. The same applies to just about everyone I played D1 with. We just slid straight into D2 like it was a more advanced and yet ultimately completely familiar version of D1. Which, of course, it pretty much was. Bugs and all. They never did completely 'fix' Diablo 1 in the end. I don't think it bothered us much. But I suppose you have to remember that Diablo 2 came out well before Diablo 1 lost its fire and currency. Maybe it was due to a lack of serious competition for Diablo 1 between, say, 1996 and 2000. Sure, you had Nox and Darkstone, but neither had Battle.net. Neither captured the lightning in the bottle. Diablo 2 was a shoe-in for Blizzard given the tumultuous inertia of Diablo 1. The same cannot and has not been said for Diablo 3. It wasn't like sliding into an advanced and yet ultimately familiar version of either D1 or D2. It felt weird. Certain basic mechanics were gone, and certain things had been added based not on D1 or D2 but on other games in between. This is what happens when you wait 10 years to release a sequel -- it's less a true sequel and more of an 'update' for the new crowd. Given and granted. I can't see many people denying that. And this is where I can counter Sickness as well (not really difficult, but anyway): the reason we like Path of Exile is because it is like playing Diablo 2 again. And you ask, 'so why not go play Diablo 2?' -- simple. Because in saying it's like playing Diablo 2 again, what we're really saying is, it's like playing an updated, improved, advanced version of something that is ultimately familiar. We're not playing Path of Exile because it is Diablo 2, but because it produces the same feelings we had when we played, and loved, Diablo 2. Yes, this is a circlejerk, but so what? I'll take circlejerks over mass bannings and dozens of threads complaining about the game to devs who just don't listen ANY day of the week. :) If I like a game, it'll either be amazing later or awful forever. There's no in-between.
I am Path of Exile's biggest whale. Period. |
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" Oh yes you're right, cos D2 wasn't all about botting, duping & using a RMAH aka D2JSP was it? Bots are yet to hit POE but they may just be waiting in the side lines. The ladder is already corrupted in one form or another. What happens if d2jsp or some other site start selling bots & currency for POE? This game could go shit-shaped fast if the wrong people get involved. |
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