Is the problem Jonathan?

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JakkerONAIR#4902 wrote:

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Th1sGuy255255#8969 wrote:

You cannot say it's just a streamer manufactured narrative. People are capable of their own opinion and not everyone watches them.
The game is in a massive failure of a state as someone who watches no streamers and loves diablo 2 and path of exile 1.

But that's a "better" narrative.

Pretending that streamers are the main reason why the feedback is so negative right now is easier than to look what GGG did to cause this reaction.

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Th1sGuy255255#8969 wrote:

I genuinely believe all these kids that complain poe1 was too fast never actually played it or at best compared their build to streamers and thats why we're seeing this mass backlash to the poe1 player.

Oh well. So much for a decent dev team I guess. No one's going back to play a prequel

To the guy above me.
Yea there's no build diversity because people can't build their own build due to the lack of any balance in mobs player hp skill dps and defense. People just want to play the game so they find the meta. Ggg has tucked up every season by nerfing the meta instead of asking why everyone plays it and the people saying the games too easy are the people who play 5+hours a day. They are litterelly worse to the games survivability than any random streamer

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IonSugeRau1#1069 wrote:

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Th1sGuy255255#8969 wrote:

I genuinely believe all these kids that complain poe1 was too fast never actually played it or at best compared their build to streamers and thats why we're seeing this mass backlash to the poe1 player.

Oh well. So much for a decent dev team I guess. No one's going back to play a prequel

To the guy above me.
Yea there's no build diversity because people can't build their own build due to the lack of any balance in mobs player hp skill dps and defense. People just want to play the game so they find the meta. Ggg has tucked up every season by nerfing the meta instead of asking why everyone plays it and the people saying the games too easy are the people who play 5+hours a day. They are litterelly worse to the games survivability than any random streamer

There's literally a link there to another post proving you wrong yet you parrot the same things that I was just pointing out.

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IonSugeRau1#1069 wrote:

Streamers definitely are at fault and you can pretend all you want that they aren't and glaze them as much as you want. There were and still are a lot of issues with the game... but did it really deserve to go Mostly Negative? No, it did not.

I keep seeing people complaining about fake streamer-provided narratives which are false as well, when the real problems are barely if at all discussed.

Such as "there is no diversity". Yeah.. there is no diversity if all you know is how to copy your fave popular streamer's build.

Do these look like the same build to you? Do these look weak to you?
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3767656/page/1

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Or the narrative that the game is too hard. Quite the contrary... to me it felt like bosses in general hit for lower damage on most hits compared to 0.1 through the campaign. I remember dying quite a few times to count Geonor for example. Now? Got hit by several attacks yet they didn't truly threaten me any and neither did it require several attempts to complete... did it on more then one character the same way regardless of what skills I was using.

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Aside from the fact that I see a lot of people pretending the game is too hard right now... I also don't see people complaining about the endgame being YET AGAIN too easy.

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These things alone are clear proof.

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Th1sGuy255255#8969 wrote:

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IonSugeRau1#1069 wrote:

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Th1sGuy255255#8969 wrote:

I genuinely believe all these kids that complain poe1 was too fast never actually played it or at best compared their build to streamers and thats why we're seeing this mass backlash to the poe1 player.

Oh well. So much for a decent dev team I guess. No one's going back to play a prequel

To the guy above me.
Yea there's no build diversity because people can't build their own build due to the lack of any balance in mobs player hp skill dps and defense. People just want to play the game so they find the meta. Ggg has tucked up every season by nerfing the meta instead of asking why everyone plays it and the people saying the games too easy are the people who play 5+hours a day. They are litterelly worse to the games survivability than any random streamer

There's literally a link there to another post proving you wrong yet you parrot the same things that I was just pointing out.

Yea i remember your post. All you proved is you hate min max builds with several mirror worth invested into gear. Cool story bro you proved no one wrong.
Infact if anything you proved me right about comparing yourself to streamers builds .......

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Warcrime09#0415 wrote:

I watched the last interview and honestly the thing that stood out the most is how defensive Jonathan was and how reluctant he was to accept the feedback he was given. I currently have 620 hours in POE2 and honestly I am still not having fun. Why am I still playing? Because I really want this game to succeed and I do see the potential. Unfortunately, it seems like there is some type of road block within GGG that is prohibiting the team from making the changes it needs to make the game attractive to the masses. This is not a personal shot at Jonathan, he is very likeable person, but sometimes we let our egos in the way of getting things done. Our way is not always the right way even though we may think it is. Listen to your players GGG. Below is some feedback I would like to include, mostly about the campaign leveling experience as I know there has been a lot of feedback about endgame/mapping already:

1. Leveling is not rewarding, the character progression is too slow. The build progression is gated by a lack of spirit gems dropping and skill gems dropping. I have noticed that level 7 and 8 skill gems barely drop. Also again in the late 30s.

2. Jeweler Orbs are too rare and this ties into my first point about build progression being too slow.

3. Mob damage is still too high. If the average player does not pick a Meta build like LS they found online, they will die and they will die a lot. Dying is not fun, getting one shotted is not fun.

4. There is no pathing in narrow areas and mobs will swarm you and trap you in. There is no dodge rolling out, you are just dead.

5. There is no build diversity. You are forced to play a meta build to have any type of fun. What is the point of all these support gems, skills and ascendancies if everything outside of the few Meta builds does terrible damage. Why is fire so bad?

6. Drops are not exciting. In other games you are excited to kill the next mob to see what drops, in POE2 you are killing mobs hoping for a spirit gem. Its sad. I know this has been brought up, but GGG apparently ran sims and they think its good so they are just going to increase boss drops. GGG your sims are wrong. Again, listen to your players.

I can't stress how bad the campaign leveling experience feels. I love to make alts and run the campaign an abnormal amount of times. Its just not fun. If it is not fun for someone that has put in 600+ hours, how do you think it will be fun for a casual player? Casual players will not play this game in its current state. I know this is pre-release, that is why I hope my feedback is received with an open mind and it is understood that I want the best for this game.