Instant Gratification is a Problem

I’ve never seen gaming worse at any time in my life than it is now. (For me)

POE2 has the potential of being game
Of the decade but I fear it will be lost to new age gamers.

I guess I wasn’t raised on games that handed you everything for minimal effort, I was raised on the grind. Perhaps I’m a dying breed.

Vanilla wow was based off “the grind”.
If you look at wow now you log in as a level 1 and there’s zero challenge left until you get to end game.

I guess people enjoy this more than having to work for it.

Either way POE2 is, in my opinion, the best version of a grind that there is out there and I will continue to play and trust GGG’s decisions.

Or I could scream at the top of my lungs until I get my way, I think thats how it works now :P
/s

Am I the only one other there that hopes poe2 is made harder?
Perhaps I just need ruthless.

GLSS

I love grinding. There's something calming about grinding yourself "to the top". I've grinded PoE1 for years, even back when it was far from as rewarding as it is now. You know why? Because the grind was/is fun.

In PoE2, I don't find the grind fun at all. I find the gameplay a little bit too slow (no, I'm not asking for PoE1 speeds), but the worst culprit of making the game unfun for me are the zone and map layouts/sizes and the lack of player agency. If I could choose the layouts to play in PoE2, maybe I would actually still play it. If layouts in PoE 2 were GOOD, maybe I would actually still play it.

Grinding can be fun if the gameplay is fun. If gameplay was fun and balanced, more people wouldn't mind reduced drop rates. If gameplay was fun, more people would be OK with huge zones and bad map layouts. If the gameplay is fun, people forget most other things. If the gameplay isn't fun, people will quickly start asking for things that would make it more fun, i.e. better items, more power etc.

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Pathological#1188 wrote:

but you're certainly part of an extremely small subset of people who garner gratification from arbitrary tedium.

I rest my case... When "playing a lot" feels like "tedium", the game is failing. If a game is good, you don't want it to be finished quickly, you'd want your fun to last.

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Endz#7323 wrote:

I’ve never seen gaming worse at any time in my life than it is now. (For me)

POE2 has the potential of being game
Of the decade but I fear it will be lost to new age gamers.

I guess I wasn’t raised on games that handed you everything for minimal effort, I was raised on the grind. Perhaps I’m a dying breed.

Vanilla wow was based off “the grind”.
If you look at wow now you log in as a level 1 and there’s zero challenge left until you get to end game.

I guess people enjoy this more than having to work for it.

Either way POE2 is, in my opinion, the best version of a grind that there is out there and I will continue to play and trust GGG’s decisions.

Or I could scream at the top of my lungs until I get my way, I think thats how it works now :P
/s

Am I the only one other there that hopes poe2 is made harder?
Perhaps I just need ruthless.

GLSS

Perhaps you should do less guessing and judging?

Perhaps you should tie a hand behind your back when you play? Or play with an eyepatch? Perhaps cut off a middle finger, or both?

If you enjoy tedium that's all you, but it isn't a "problem", and it isn't instant. You're engaging in absurdist reductionism. As was stated many times by GGG in the many years they managed to run the best ARPG on the market, the majority of players never even got to maps.

Tedium and difficulty are not synonyms. It can be difficult to slog through tedium, but that doesn't mean that it requires skill - or perhaps more accurately, the skill required to slog through tedium is patience, and nothing else.

I'm 43, and the first game I remember playing was Zelda on the NES, along with Duck Hunt, unless you count Othello or Frogger on a Kaypro.



I played Battletoads when it was new. I've seen the spectrum of what video gaming has to offer from very close to inception to now. There are grave issues with gaming today, but almost none of them come from "instant gratification", except in where it is installed as a means of extracting money from people at the cost of the integrity of the game.

I'm sure you're not "alone", but you're certainly part of an extremely small subset of people who garner gratification from arbitrary tedium. You do you, but you're right; most people don't like it and won't put up with it, and thus noise will continue to be made until changes are.

I mean that’s fair and all. I disagree with your take on me enjoying the game being tedious but it’s a fair assumption based off the little information in my post. There’s a vast canyon between the “tedium” I enjoy and one shotting entire screens with my brain turned off.

I just want something that takes a little more effort than minimal.

The “grind” should be rewarding combat not one click kill IMO

It just seems to me that the changes people want lean heavier to the instant kill side than the middle ground

Either way it’s just my opinion

Grind is fine when the gameplay is fun. The grind is not the fun part though. The grind is the thing that lets you get into a zen kind of a place while engaging in the fun gameplay. POE2 missed that point for me.

Play Ruthless and stop trying ruining game for people who want Instant Gratification. It's a game. It's supposed to be fun.

In fact, most people want it. Only the absolute minority wants "vision".

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Endz#7323 wrote:

I just want something that takes a little more effort than minimal.

As you're writing from a completely new account, I have to ask; how far did you ever get in PoE1? Acts? White maps? Yellow maps? Red maps? Pinnacle bosses? Purple maps? Ubers? Valo maps?

it s just a number game. some people seem to love the grind for the grind.
but how many are they ?

i remember undecember being insanely grindy in maps after a point.
hope it doesnt go this direction
or ruthless

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Endz#7323 wrote:

I’ve never seen gaming worse at any time in my life than it is now. (For me)

POE2 has the potential of being game
Of the decade but I fear it will be lost to new age gamers.

I guess I wasn’t raised on games that handed you everything for minimal effort, I was raised on the grind. Perhaps I’m a dying breed.

Vanilla wow was based off “the grind”.
If you look at wow now you log in as a level 1 and there’s zero challenge left until you get to end game.

I guess people enjoy this more than having to work for it.

Either way POE2 is, in my opinion, the best version of a grind that there is out there and I will continue to play and trust GGG’s decisions.

Or I could scream at the top of my lungs until I get my way, I think thats how it works now :P
/s

Am I the only one other there that hopes poe2 is made harder?
Perhaps I just need ruthless.

GLSS

Get Gud

The name of the company isn't "Gratification Gear Games," after all. =^[.]^=