Lightning spear, spears in general

GGG once said that would do mid season nerfs if you "felt stupid to not play a build" i think anyone can understand that lightning spear/tangletongue combination has reached that point. the reflex buffs to spear when they appeared very weak in the early stages of the league were a mistake, and GGG at the bare minimum needs to revert the buffs they did to them, and probably nerf tangletongue as well. I will be dissapointed for sure if they end up not nerfing a skill with 48% play rate (more egregious than anything was last league or even in phrecia) just because they're afraid of backlash like what happened in 0.1

Have you actually played LS? It's only "OP" from a POE2 "everything has to feel like shit" perspective, not from an actual ARPG "this is really OP" perspective. With decent gear, it's good for general mapping, and okay for bossing. It feels like shit to level, particularly through a good chunk of normal, unless you get lucky with your weapon, and good luck getting even just your third ascension point before you have really expensive endgame gear. It's nothing particularly special by general ARPG standards. POE2's just balanced and designed so poorly that even what should be considered just an "okay" build is considered godly and everyone has to play it.

Nah LS + tangletongue + thrilling chase is way to op. Clearing 2 screens with 1 button while riding mount at speed is to op.

Why is op? Because GGG nerfed everything else and released new class with new weapons and new uniques that scale with some asc beyond others possibilities.

GGG dont be blizzard and dont let tangletongue become kepeleke and dont wait until 0.3.

And I did play LS, it felt like stat stack in 0.1.

I have dog trash gear and i'm clearing t15s like other builds with 50 divine builds.... tell me again how it's not OP.

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mpathyk#7624 wrote:

I have dog trash gear and i'm clearing t15s like other builds with 50 divine builds.... tell me again how it's not OP.

Again, by POE2 standards it's fantastic. By general ARPG standards it's basically just what a good skill should be, it's not like it's deleting pinnacle endgame bosses in half a second on trash gear. It's good at clearing maps, and given its mechanics, the more densely packed the maps, the more effectively it clears them; single target is something other than LS because LS is terrible at single target, it's a clearing skill.

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mpathyk#7624 wrote:

I have dog trash gear and i'm clearing t15s like other builds with 50 divine builds.... tell me again how it's not OP.

I wanna see post it

I have dog trash gear and i'm clearing t15s like other builds with 50 divine builds.... tell me again how it's not OP.

https://poe2.ninja/profile/character/slixchec7cox/mpathyk-7624/mpathyk

The only time I die is when I'm not paying attention to rhoa stun buildup, or just in general not paying attention. One shots the whole screen, occasional rare takes 2-3 hits. Bosses take around 10s.

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AxiomOfAnarchy#7408 wrote:

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mpathyk#7624 wrote:

I have dog trash gear and i'm clearing t15s like other builds with 50 divine builds.... tell me again how it's not OP.

Again, by POE2 standards it's fantastic. By general ARPG standards it's basically just what a good skill should be, it's not like it's deleting pinnacle endgame bosses in half a second on trash gear. It's good at clearing maps, and given its mechanics, the more densely packed the maps, the more effectively it clears them; single target is something other than LS because LS is terrible at single target, it's a clearing skill.

What you dont want to acknowledge or understand that this is not "general ARPG" this is "meaningful vision ARPG" where GGG nerfed everything but somehow allows stat stack/spark like build be in game that requires few div weapon (dont even need max crit roll) and 2nd ascendency with res capped gear and allocate as many crit nodes as you can/need. Combat frenzy + profusion, CoC + sniper mark for QoL (so you dont need to press 2 buttons), sceptre for spirit you're all set. Kitoko is not even needed. Mount up and zoom zoom. Bosses need what? 3-4 buttons? Curse, buff and spam lance or that new serpent bs. I'm sure you know LS is not for bossing and you just want to make it look like LS dont need nerf. I don't know how fubgun gen frenzy for serpent but that was auto attack and 1 button click?

@mpathyk#7624
theres no vid needed

Everything has been gutted by direct or indirect nerfs, as literally anyone can tell you just from booting up the game and playing for any amount of time. There are simply no good options.

If GGG snap nerfs spears, I'm not logging in. It's not going to make you feel better about being frustrated on a worse build either.

It's also not going to make you feel better about being bored with Lightning Spear, if you are playing it.

I always thought it was a meme when developers said "players think they want things that they don't", but when I read stuff like this, it's not funny anymore.

They didn't nerf the outliers, and bring them into line in 0.2. They completely killed all of those builds, to the point they do not function. They hit them from every angle, including all of the supports and skills. They nerfed Flameblast for Christ's sake. 0.1% played. They broke their promise to standard players by bricking all their characters, and ruined the balance of their own game for people playing on a fresh start. Nobody is happy. Not even the people playing LS.

Everyone was bored of LS before they even had currency to switch, but nobody can find anything remotely exciting to play. If you go into the builds section of the forums, you will see hundreds of players desperately working together to make other things work. How much more proof do you need that they overcooked the nerfs, and most skills just feel bad?

The problem isn't Lightning Spear. The problem isn't Essence Drain/ Contagion. Weaker monsters does not equal a stronger player. The problem is, they heavily missed the mark on the balance updates in 0.2, giving us less choice than ever, at every stage of the game.

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mpathyk#7624 wrote:

I have dog trash gear and i'm clearing t15s like other builds with 50 divine builds.... tell me again how it's not OP.

https://poe2.ninja/profile/character/slixchec7cox/mpathyk-7624/mpathyk

The only time I die is when I'm not paying attention to rhoa stun buildup, or just in general not paying attention. One shots the whole screen, occasional rare takes 2-3 hits. Bosses take around 10s.

that does not seem like trash gear my guy but maybe i'm dumb