Lich ascendancy "Eternal Life" disables hp regeneration from any source until player gets damaged.

After taking Lich ascendancy "Eternal Life" player unable to regen hp
Steps to reproduce:
1. Get Ascendency "Eternal Life" allocated.
2. Teleport to hideout.
3. Remove gear that have "+ to maximum Life" on it.
4. Notice that either life regeneration nor life flask not regenerate hp.
PC: the only solution to "activate" hp regen is to get damaged straight to hp after energy shield is removed by hits.
Here is video with example:
https://youtu.be/hGPaVW5K3-o

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Mark_GGG wrote:

That's not a bug, that's what the "Eternal Life" passive does:

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Eternal Life wrote:

Your Life cannot change while you have Energy Shield

While your current value of Energy Shield isn't zero, your current value of Life cannot be changed - it's stuck at whatever it was when you last changed from having no ES to having some.

Regeneration is trying to change your Life, and failing, because that explicitly can't happen while you have any ES. Anything that makes you gain, or lose, life, will fail to happen.

You right but it's terrible mechanic couse Lich looks like Es&Life stacker. I think Flask&Fountain should work.

Also Lifetap doesn't work with Eternal Life but all similar mechanics work. You got signal like "You have no enough Life for cast" as you have CI and 1 Life.

Oh, I see now. Thank you very much for the detailed explanation and quick response. You can close this ticket. Wishing you a great rest of the day!

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Mark_GGG wrote:

The effect is intentionally a tradeoff. Nothing can make you gain life, but also nothing can make you lose life

Soulless Form force you to stack Life for mana regen.
Eternal Life force you to skip Life or pick CI (couse this interaction).
I think that related nodes shouldn't contradict each other.

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Mark_GGG wrote:

Being unable to change your life means you can't voluntarily spend any life. If you can't pay the cost, you can't use the skill

But why I can convert part of cost to Life with another support gem? Why "Lose # Life per cast" mechanic work as well?

It's too counterintuitive that I can use "bypass ES" for mitigation but I cant use Lifetap. Lifecost is 200, I have 2000 Life. What's wrong?

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A4TechiesTV#1731 wrote:

It's too counterintuitive that I can use "bypass ES" for mitigation but I cant use Lifetap. Lifecost is 200, I have 2000 Life. What's wrong?

Imagine that your bank account (life total) is frozen. You go to the store and try to pay for a candy bar (spell) with your debit card (life). Since your bank account is frozen, the transaction will fail. It's actually quite intuitive

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A4TechiesTV#1731 wrote:

But why I can convert part of cost to Life with another support gem? Why "Lose # Life per cast" mechanic work as well?

As for this, you cannot pay the cost, so it prevents skill use, losing life due to an effect like using a skill is not a cost, and does not interreact with any other cost mechanics, so the skill is not prevented from happening

Similarly sacrificing is not prevented, and so effects like extraction can be used for "free" but the amount you sacrifice is 0, so effects which care about the amount sacrificed also wont work (or atleast not work well)

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A4TechiesTV#1731 wrote:

Fountain should work.

I agree that this should be allowed to refill your life, I wonder if its an oversight or just disabled due to how certain checkpoints also refill life/flasks and they do not want that to occur in zones with lich

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arooo#0923 wrote:

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A4TechiesTV#1731 wrote:

It's too counterintuitive that I can use "bypass ES" for mitigation but I cant use Lifetap. Lifecost is 200, I have 2000 Life. What's wrong?

Imagine that your bank account (life total) is frozen. You go to the store and try to pay for a candy bar (spell) with your debit card (life). Since your bank account is frozen, the transaction will fail. It's actually quite intuitive

Let's do this logic to "bypass ES" mechanic :)

Monsters try to get payment from frozen acc but it's frozen. So they said "meh get a discount" xD

And what about Extraction Support? If Eternal Life means that I dont have resources for casting why Extraction work? "You cannot Sacrifice a resource you do not have"

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Regisle_#6188 wrote:

I agree that this should be allowed to refill your life, I wonder if its an oversight or just disabled due to how certain checkpoints also refill life/flasks and they do not want that to occur in zones with lich

I would agree that everything is fine but...

Soulless Form disable CI for us couse we lose all mana regen if take them together.
Eternal Life do our Life investments useless couse we cant life regen.

So it's mean that we don't invest in life and don't take CI. But in this case why small nodes give us 3% Life? xD

Mb solution is "ES recharge work to Life firstly"