Simulacrum needs to be tone down

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ShadyC#1006 wrote:

So you're not only saying that GGG wants some builds to be bad, and you're not only saying that you agree with this...

But you're also saying that the bad builds are bad on purpose, and serve the role of "failed experiment that wastes the player's time"?

By all means, tell me if I've accidentally misrepresented you, because that sounds like what you're saying. If that's not what you're saying, please explain it again.

I think a lot of player frustration stems from a misunderstanding of what a META build really is.

1. META is literally just an acronym for Most Efficient Tactics Available

2. Efficiency in this case is a product of
-power scaling
-content viability
-ease of play
-ease of gearing

3. Non-meta builds may still excel in 1 or more of the above areas. Playing off-meta has always been (and likely always will be) perfectly viable.

Just don't complain about it being less efficient if you purposely avoid playing a build that the player base has literally determined to be, AND LABELED, "most effecient..."

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ShadyC#1006 wrote:

Again, don't want to misrepresent you, but in short, are you now saying...


If you aren't in-game rich, with a meta build, then you don't deserve to be in some content because it's not made for you?

And if you're playing a non meta build in the first place, that's also your fault, because you didn't spend X amount of time researching everything about the game and your intended build beforehand?

If you're playing a non meta build because you just picked some things you liked, and did your best to make it as strong as you could, then the content GGG intends for you is [effectively] tier 1 maps with 0-2 affixes, and if you try to venture off into "streamer content," you deserve to get put in your place?




Again, let me know. I don't really feel like your re-explanation changed anything, but maybe there's something that's not quite clicking.

No,

1. Rich is entirely subjective.

2. End-game content isnt limited to the meta builds, they just do it better. (See 2nd response I made after this one defining Meta.)

3. It has nothing to do with whether you "deserve" it, stop framing yourself as a victim of a video game.

3.a. Phrasing aside, yes. The game has content meant to keep all levels of players engaged. If you play a few hours on weekends, you should not expect to be able to run content variants that was put in to the game to keep people who play 14 hrs a day entertained and challenged.

4. Yes. POE is a game where you success is hugely dependent on in-game knowledge and your willingness to use external tools for research. If you are playing a league, with the expectation of running hard content to maximize loot, and you dont research what build to run, you are failing yourself. Go play diablo or POE2 if you want a more casual friendly game

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META is literally just an acronym for Most Efficient Tactics Available

(Why do I do this to myself...)

No. That's not what meta means. It's a decent representation about how it's taken a lot of the time, but it doesn't mean that at all.




At any rate... I never did or did not pick something based on its strength. I picked things based on liking the abilities, and then trying to make them as strong as I could. But I also build based on how I felt i would need to build. The game throws a lot of one shots at you. So I made the mistake of building defenses. But the truth was that I needed more offense. I needed to kill so fast, nothing can react.

Defense is useless. Pure offense is the meta. I think it should be changed, but what I think should be changed doesn't matter.




You're kind of right. I'm complaining, although I know what I'm supposed to do to fix it. But that's why my complaint is also ABOUT this meta, and how the game is designed and balanced.

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ShadyC#1006 wrote:

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META is literally just an acronym for Most Efficient Tactics Available

(Why do I do this to myself...)

No. That's not what meta means. It's a decent representation about how it's taken a lot of the time, but it doesn't mean that at all.




At any rate... I never did or did not pick something based on its strength. I picked things based on liking the abilities, and then trying to make them as strong as I could. But I also build based on how I felt i would need to build. The game throws a lot of one shots at you. So I made the mistake of building defenses. But the truth was that I needed more offense. I needed to kill so fast, nothing can react.

Defense is useless. Pure offense is the meta. I think it should be changed, but what I think should be changed doesn't matter.




You're kind of right. I'm complaining, although I know what I'm supposed to do to fix it. But that's why my complaint is also ABOUT this meta, and how the game is designed and balanced.

I mean that IS what it means, though I'll concede that majority of players using the term don't realize that.


As far as personal struggles, if you avatar is any indication of your build, I feel your pain. My current main character is named NvrPlayinRangerAgain, bc fk warden and dying to everything.

There are plenty of viable defensive builds though. Svalinn block builds are currently a pretty cheap tanky setup on slayer or heirophant. Killing stuff fast is also a good strategy, but that shouldnt be confused with glass cannon (noticed you had the exarch staff on one of your characters, whihc is usually a glass cannon). You still need enough defense to make it thru the ground effects if you want to run T17 or deli without hating your life.

Meta is a real word. It is not an acronym. There are a lot of other definitions it has that serve as alternate wordings of the above image, but it all comes down to the same thing.

For example, a "metagame." This means something along the lines of... a game within a game. Or, playing the game according to knowledge you have OUTSIDE of the game and its intentions. Like being aware of its inner coding, and using that to your advantage, when the game itself doesn't tell you, and might even try to keep that information away from you. (Like manipulating cartridge codes to speed run Super Mario World to run the credits because you kick some shells up into the air in a certain way.)

Another example of meta could be, say... 4th wall breaking in various media like movies, comics, TV shows. Deadpool is very meta in this manner.




Meta is not an acronym. That acronym was either made facetiously by some AOL user three hundred years ago, or it was made by some trolling 4chan user that casual players took seriously. Either way, here we are now... where you think it's real...




Again, it doesn't even really matter. But don't spout things as fact when they are not.

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ShadyC#1006 wrote:

PoE is built around the illusion of build freedom, but in truth, you're not allowed to do most content with most builds. And if you can't afford a 700x Mirror "FastAF" build, your character gets called trash by the community.

Tell us that you don't know what you are talking about, without telling us that you don't know what you are talking about.

Simulacrum is nothing else but simple gear check, something that's achievable and possible with a large range of builds. Neither meta or mirror tier gear is required to clear the content. Just the simple case of get good, really. lol

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Tell us that you don't know what you are talking about, without telling us that you don't know what you are talking about.

Tell us you have nothing to say, without telling us you have nothing to say.


I have never done a Simu. I am agreeing with the OP's message that a skill shouldn't randomly be unviable in some content. I don't care if they also had some sort of skill issue as well, as that is not their overall message.

But you, a typical PoE player, only saw a window to attack someone. You are literally blind to the overall message of the OP. So much so, that I am confident in giving a declaration that you will prove my point in your next post.

Cheers.

You keep saying the same thing over and over as if you assert it enough times, it will be right.

Any build that can do *everything* shouldn't exist in my opinion, but if it does, it should cost an amount that most people can't reach. Otherwise, the developer failed.

There is nothing in the game I've failed to do and I have never ever spent a mirror on anything ever. Not one. The most expensive thing by far that I buy is Mageblood and that's well into the league after I've already done most everything.

If you build something to do a specific event, you'll likely be successful. If you build something to do everything, you'll likely fail -- unless you find a soon to be nerfed combo or spend an unreasonable fortune.

meta in this example is an acronym its different to its regular usage and Sim is an atypical build challenge that PoE needs more of frankly - you either need extreme damage or extreme ability to tank trash and its about the only area where you need the latter.

Don't be surprised when a build can't clear it, most can't and frankly that is how it should be its one of real pieces of challenge content.

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Draegnarrr#2823 wrote:

meta in this example is an acronym its different to its regular usage and Sim is an atypical build challenge that PoE needs more of frankly - you either need extreme damage or extreme ability to tank trash and its about the only area where you need the latter.

Don't be surprised when a build can't clear it, most can't and frankly that is how it should be its one of real pieces of challenge content.

I do like that Simulacrum offers the possibility of extreme defenses being effective and short of stupid DPS and CC, necessary.