It's a mistake to only make big balance changes with PoE1 leagues mentality

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chobo999#2010 wrote:

Well ya. It's a "compromise" -- like I said above basically.

sort of.....i dont really think its any kind of compromise. They are going to make whatever changes they want to make no matter what. They always have, no matter how hard it hit players (divine to exalt, aura stacking and mana reservation, 3.14 overall, loot nerfs, etc.).

I think its just that it simply makes sense to do fewer BIG patches, in terms of development, player retention, and as others said marketing. They aren't really trying to reach a compromise with anything. They don't really care in that way to "hide" nerfs. All they want is to maximize everything.

Hmm..

I mean like "give and take"...pros and cons/trade-offs of course...

TLDR: the cons of whining nerfs (Spark, etc [see above]) versus the pros of new content (see above) -- "compromise" -- some "balance" -- a bit more "Net Win" overall....

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chobo999#2010 wrote:

Hmm..

I mean like "give and take"...pros and cons/trade-offs of course...

TLDR: the cons of whining nerfs (Spark, etc [see above]) versus the pros of new content (see above) -- "compromise" -- some "balance" -- a bit more "Net Win" overall....

Perhaps that factors in...can't say for sure it doesn't. I just don't really believe that to be the REASON for only making big balance changes at big update times. I think players getting peeved about nerfs is rather small on their list of priorities and focuses (but it probably IS on that list).

I think they avoided doing a small patch balance this time around purely because the product is still new. But I think that will change. If, after the next big patch, there is a highly overperforming skill or aspect...it will get nerfed in a patch and not an update.

Maybe I spoke a bit wrong in my initial post: the worry about player losing their builds and content was less about specific issues and more just overall EVERYTHING changing too much, including gameplay and passive trees and ascendancies and items and such.

Ah I see...

Saw it on a bunch of YT podcasts...like pro-Streamers saying it'll be a $hitstorm post-nerfs.

I mean..makes sense no? LIke imagine... all that time you put into class...lol.

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Yup: definitely part of it too. Your point is factored in newly which wasn't accounted for i.e. gamedev just isn't even ready for it yes -- that I'll say is new :P

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chobo999#2010 wrote:

Ah I see...

Saw it on a bunch of YT podcasts...like pro-Streamers saying it'll be a $hitstorm post-nerfs.

I mean..makes sense no? LIke imagine... all that time you put into class...lol.

Oh it certainly will, but it HAS to happen. The people who understand EA KNOW it will happen, and its going to happen to everyone at some point guaranteed. We've already had the shitstorm of everyone who "hates everyhting about PoE 2". Next shitstorm will be nerfs. After that will be item balance. Then more nerfs.

Always the same patterns of behavior and forum commentary. The average player is incapable of seeing beyond their own current reality, and can't or actively refuses to understand change.

THe earlier the nerfs have that advantage of course yes, but then they'll lose that playerbase too in EA right..? And who are the 1s doing Spark, etc? They're the more "hardcore" ("masochist"..? >.<) fans..lol.. -- lose them? Uhh...

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chobo999#2010 wrote:

THe earlier the nerfs have that advantage of course yes, but then they'll lose that playerbase too in EA right..? And who are the 1s doing Spark, etc? They're the more "hardcore" fans..lol.. -- lose them? Uhh...

Nah that crowd won't be lost. They are enjoying something they know is broken and likely won't exist in the near future.

In PoE early years and beta, it was Cast on Critical Strike. People abused the hell out of it KNOWING it would be nerfed. And they didn't leave. It was part of the beta to craft builds that "break" the game. And then those builds were copied and played by so many others. But those are the people who know, going in, that those builds will be gutted.

I could kill Dominus (final boss) in under 3 seconds with Cast on Critical Strike EK.....with no supports. No different than current spark being able to delete screens of enemies in a game clearly triyng to be designed for NOT having that happen.

Yet you just acknowledged above they'd be pissed...hmm...

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chobo999#2010 wrote:

Yet you just acknowledged above they'd be pissed...hmm...

No...you changed the players you were talking about. The players who are pissed and loud are going to be the non-veteran, non-hardcore players that are only copying the crazy things they see others do.

They don't know any better.

Any hardcore "fan" or streamer running around with a screen deleting build, is likely saying within their build videos "this is probably going to be nerfed". They know its coming.

So that $hitstorm you acknowledged above -- you believe will not be the "masochists" getting nerfed...

I mean...let's say it's Spark. Both "non-vets" and "masochists" have the ability to go to maps easily no? It's Spark lol.

Then I think both groups will still Grind far w/ it to like Xesht or some $hit no? It's Spark lol.

So that's still time spent to get there.

That's still $hitstorm from that time gone bye -- and for both groups above -- no?