Early Access Feedback - Alright GGG, we need to seriously talk about map layouts - Forum

" Toforto#2372 wrote: " fouquet#0993 wrote: Honestly, so many decisions in PoE2 seems to be: What mechanics and features do ARPG players absolutely hate about ARPGs? Let's force all of them into the game, especially the ones that were optimized out of PoE1! Most of the maps are Maggot Lair, the most infamously annoying map in Diablo 2 which is almost always cheesed with teleport by the player base. But on top of that, you removed all mobility skills for a generic unmodifiable dodge roll instead of class dependent/customizable movement skills so the tiny hallway maps are even worse. You removed all straight access to anti-crowd control mechanics other than charms which you gated to ultra late game at the cost of stats. You nuked crafting making it worse that the already bad PoE1 crafting so we cannot deterministically solve build issues on gear. Most nonsensical of all, you introduced WASD for ranged characters (including basic attack) but not for the vast majority of melee skills when melee needs to use mobility to avoid damage while attacking MORE than ranged! Every design decision they made is absurdly poorly thought out. We meme about 'the vision' but god damn, it feels like there is NO vision guiding the design decisions of this game. The only "vision" guiding this game's design seems to be "oh D2 had X,Y and Z so we should put it in the game too". Turns out just doing that while un-learning all the lessons the devs should have learned during PoE 1's development was a horrible idea. D2 also do it better and more balance too :3 Even famous Maggot lair are still favor player with enemy can't swarm player and boss can even be cheese. Unless you're summoner... poor guy, absolute hell. Slow in, slow out cuz I'm just a player. --------------------------------------------	Posted by nnilfoest#6766 on Jan 3, 2025, 6:06:29 PM Quote this Post
" fouquet#0993 wrote: This is cope. This isn't about the game being HARD it is about the game being TEDIOUS and POORLY DESIGNED with fundamental flaws that will not be easy to fix, especially after the release all classes based on these systems (like unmodifiable dodge roll). +1 The Campaign was the best part, even with all the issues (large maps, lots of dead ends, waypoints far way from map entrance etc) having the checkpoints to pinpoint from a location to another was a pretty neat tool. Now, endgame maps are just tedious. Is a PITA when we are sometime time on a map and 10 different Elites indicators pops out on the minimaps and none are close of each other. The lack of Bosses is a very dauting poorly designed implementation. The Vision is already ruining the game experience.	Posted by Fhrek#4437 on Jan 3, 2025, 6:07:41 PM Quote this Post
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They should have just stay focus on the acts. They pulled them off acts to do the end game. What end game is that? What we currently have is utter garbage. Both passive trees are garbage also. We can't favorite maps. We can't choose what we want to run/farm. The map are massive and his screen shot is exactly what happens to every single player. With no movement speed in sight. Everything they did correct in poe1 they removed in poe2. They wanted this game to be what kept the poe1 players playing. So half way through the league they would release a new one on poe 1 or 2 to keep players. This game currently has nothing to keep the players wanting more. It is EA but they have had 10 years of testing and making changes to give us this garbage.	Posted by MikesLoverFromAnotherMother#7477 on Jan 3, 2025, 6:22:59 PM Quote this Post
I remember the first time I played the game and I was in the devourer map I thought "lol they brought back maggot layer" It's to my great detriment that I slowly realized this started becoming the norm of the game through the multiple maps I pushed through. Big disappointment. This arbitrary difficulty is fucking dumb and its' bad game design.	Posted by MxZeal1#2439 on Jan 3, 2025, 6:23:02 PM Quote this Post
For some reason they thought that turning every map into Cells and Maggot Lair was the play. lmao ~ Seph	Posted by sephrinx#7591 on Jan 3, 2025, 6:24:03 PM Quote this Post
" sephrinx#7591 wrote: For some reason they thought that turning every map into Cells and Maggot Lair was the play. lmao hahaha XD	Posted by Lyutsifer665#1671 on Jan 3, 2025, 7:05:49 PM On Probation Quote this Post
" Toforto#2372 wrote: What makes this issue even more horrendous is the fact that there is no favorite map system in this game, so players are forced to run bad layouts all the time. That's gonna cause so many people to get burned out in endgame lol Already quit due to this terrible mapping system (among many other reasons) PoE 1 is the best. PoE 2 is something.	Posted by HeroEvermore#0498 on Jan 3, 2025, 7:08:23 PM Quote this Post